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Vengeance essential club 2

half the sounds are exactly the same as 1?

and they dont have long bases anymore..the only decent shit is the synths anda few kicks...

so don't buy it. problem solved.

ive already got it.

then sell it and say it is awesome.

done.
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I prefer some of it over VEC1.. but I never used long basses anyway.. maybe you should get vengeance ultimate bass, its nothing but long basses.

so with the short bass do u just do ompa lines? or do u use it differently?

Wouldn't it be better to use synths for bass? Wouldn't samples just sound pitched? Or is it multisamples we are talking about?

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Originally posted by Dj Adriz Wouldn't it be better to use synths for bass? Wouldn't samples just sound pitched? Or is it multisamples we are talking about?

well, you can use pitch shifting it works good enough for basslines. but i don't see a point in using samples for basslines. imho it works only good enough if you're doing offbeat basslines like in those cheesy euro dance tunes.

I thought it sounded pitched with ompa off beat bass. oh well,I guess im stuck with my subtractor.

Is multi samples the way to go for house/realish sounding bass?

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Originally posted by Kid_presentable Is multi samples the way to go for house/realish sounding bass?

synths are the way to go..

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Originally posted by thecYrus synths are the way to go..

+1

I could never use samples for a basslines. As cyrus mentioned, it would only work for some ghetto off-beat crap that never changes throughout the track. You always want full control of the bassline so you can do some leet shit like detune it on the fly or fuck with the cutoffs and envelopes to create some great edits.

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Originally posted by Kid_presentable Is multi samples the way to go for house/realish sounding bass?

I'm gonna go against the grain here and say yes :P
If u want to get a mad funky plucked bass, samples are your best choice.

Synths aren't that great for that sound.

Doesn't matter. If you use a multisampled instrument you can still use multiple samples and detune them against each other if you want. You can still buy a multimode filter like PSP Nitro and get a 4 filter array. You can use an envelope follower and dedicated LFOs like Ohmforce Hematohm.

Synths are nice because you get alot of those features on the synth (although you cannot use them independantly to process anything other than the oscillators from that synth). Also because of this design the work flow is usually better because it has been consciously designed so that all those modules work together and behave in a specific way.

You can create plucked basses with literally any sound as long as it has regular harmonics. Even if its a long sample, you can run it through an amplifier envelope, cut the decay and release way back. Output it to a filter set to trigger in an envelope and modulate the attack.

You can do the same thing on a synth, except that its more than likely the synth will have its own amplifier and filter envelopes and its own filter.

The only downside to multisampling is that you cant control the timbre as well as you can on a synth. On a multi oscillator synth you can mix waveforms for all kinds of timbres. On the flipside and a bonus for multisampling - you can just sample a synth or sounds with timbres so complex you could never synthesise them.

There are pluses and minuses to both. Mostly its easy and cheaper in many cases to use synths and the whole sound design process is more fun and feels more natural.

I love using samples for bass

and I'm not the oompa type

vengeance sounds are great!! svd even uses them and i dono how many tunes ive got that has vengeance in there somewhere.....

1 and 2 are different to me.....get a few pots an pans an record ur own.. lol

Use a synth for a bassline, then bounce and edit is neat sometimes.

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Originally posted by Derivative Doesn't matter. If you use a multisampled instrument you can still use multiple samples and detune them against each other if you want. You can still buy a multimode filter like PSP Nitro and get a 4 filter array. You can use an envelope follower and dedicated LFOs like Ohmforce Hematohm. -snip-

All true, and also keep in mind that many of the better samplers will provide these features built-in too. Soft-samplers kind of took a few steps backward from their hardware predecessors in what they offered, but they're catching up - as I've mentioned probably a few dozen times before, I use Emulator X, which still isn't *quite* up to snuff with a true-blue Emu but definitely fun to use.

It looks like Kontakt 2 has similar features although I found the interface a lot more confusing and er... clunky and unstable. Give it time, though, I'm sure that NI's planning to make major improvements to the next version (which will no doubt include an even more braindead anti-piracy scheme).

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