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Posted by TO guy on Nov-02-2006 19:39:

No World's Fair for Toronto?

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_4942.aspx

Neither the provincial nor the federal government would assume the debt for the proposed World's Fair, so Toronto had to get out of the bidding.

I think this is a good thing. World's Fairs were interesting/imoprtant a long time ago, but not anymore. No reason to burden all the taxpayers with this event.

Comments?

Posted by rabbitjoker on Nov-02-2006 19:40:

Good!

What an incredible waste of money and resources this would have been.

Posted by Cro_Addict on Nov-02-2006 19:41:

surprised the amount of politics talk in the forums...

its cool though...shows that "young" ppl are not oblivious to what is ghoing on around them

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-02-2006 19:42:

Re: No World's Fair for Toronto?

Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-02-2006 20:32:

Toronto: The Cookie-Cutter City of Canada

Posted by drgoodvibe on Nov-02-2006 20:39:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Toronto: The Cookie-Cutter City of Canada

Yep.. though.. there are small pockets of originality if you look hard..

Posted by malek on Nov-02-2006 20:43:

too bad, usually a world fair leaves a great deal of infrastructures and legacy to a city and I'm not even talking about putting the city on the map (Toronto is known but its still a plus) and give it a different cachet.

Posted by MarkT on Nov-02-2006 20:49:

Re: No World's Fair for Toronto?

quote:
Originally posted by TO guy
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_4942.aspx

Neither the provincial nor the federal government would assume the debt for the proposed World's Fair, so Toronto had to get out of the bidding.

I think this is a good thing. World's Fairs were interesting/imoprtant a long time ago, but not anymore. No reason to burden all the taxpayers with this event.

Comments?

when the projected deficits were up to 2 billion (and we know they'd likely end up being higher)...then I'm happy to see us not be in the running.

as for the waterfront...hopefully it's a mix of recreation, commercial and residential. Build a LOT of condos and homes, IMHO...because Toronto's lagging far behind other major cities in terms of the value of it's waterfront property. Build it, sell units for a fortune and enjoy the tax windfall. I'm sure some ass will argue for "affordable waterfront housing" though...yet complain about how high are our taxes.

While I have no desire to live by the water...our properties there are an absolute bargain compared to other cities. Just wait until it's built up.

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-02-2006 20:55:

Re: Re: No World's Fair for Toronto?

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
when the projected deficits were up to 2 billion (and we know they'd likely end up being higher)...then I'm happy to see us not be in the running.

as for the waterfront...hopefully it's a mix of recreation, commercial and residential. Build a LOT of condos and homes, IMHO...because Toronto's lagging far behind other major cities in terms of the value of it's waterfront property. Build it, sell units for a fortune and enjoy the tax windfall. I'm sure some ass will argue for "affordable waterfront housing" though...yet complain about how high are our taxes.

While I have no desire to live by the water...our properties there are an absolute bargain compared to other cities. Just wait until it's built up.

fuck that! make it an entertainment playground for the masses. Not some elitest snobfest. Put waterfront cafes, pubs and maybe even a few clubs. Put in an aquarium, a centrepiece park and maybe even a pedestrain only waterfront street with shops and stuff

and any residences that do get built there should have a clause in the agreement saying that they accept that its a busy tourist area and that they accept that there will be constant noise and activity

Posted by Abercrombie on Nov-02-2006 21:09:

That's too bad. I really wanted this to happen here in the big smoke. No Olympics, No world's Fair...

We're not f'in Montreal for crissake, we can make it happen!

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-02-2006 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
That's too bad. I really wanted this to happen here in the big smoke. No Olympics, No world's Fair...

We're not f'in Montreal for crissake, we can make it happen!

toronto wants to be big league but whenever the opportunities present themselves we resort to our small town ways of thinking.

Its what will always set toronto apart from places like new york, paris, and tokyo on all levels.

Posted by MarkT on Nov-02-2006 21:16:

Re: Re: Re: No World's Fair for Toronto?

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
fuck that! make it an entertainment playground for the masses. Not some elitest snobfest. Put waterfront cafes, pubs and maybe even a few clubs. Put in an aquarium, a centrepiece park and maybe even a pedestrain only waterfront street with shops and stuff

and any residences that do get built there should have a clause in the agreement saying that they accept that its a busy tourist area and that they accept that there will be constant noise and activity

I'm fine with that...mix it up with residential though...and make it *very* transit accessible...NO giant parking lots!

Posted by Abercrombie on Nov-02-2006 21:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
toronto wants to be big league but whenever the opportunities present themselves we resort to our small town ways of thinking.

Its what will always set toronto apart from places like new york, paris, and tokyo on all levels.

New city slogan...

Toronto... We have the tallest free-standing phallus in the world... and the smallest nuts.

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-02-2006 21:21:

Re: Re: Re: Re: No World's Fair for Toronto?

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
I'm fine with that...mix it up with residential though...and make it *very* transit accessible...NO giant parking lots!

but put that residential clause in there... so there is no more whining.

and make the parking either underground or put a parking structure in a good spot.

Posted by MarkT on Nov-02-2006 21:26:

sure...or just amend the noise bylaws for that specific area. whatever works.

sound insulation isn't exactly a grey area...I'm sure developers could factor in the extra noise when designing residences too.

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-02-2006 21:28:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
sure...or just amend the noise bylaws for that specific area. whatever works.

sound insulation isn't exactly a grey area...I'm sure developers could factor in the extra noise when designing residences too.

agreed... but what im saying is that there should be a backup clause just so we dont have another island/spadina ave situation

Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-02-2006 21:56:

blah.. not suprised

Posted by Cro_Addict on Nov-02-2006 23:59:

all good ideas but all hypothetical

Posted by smuncky on Nov-03-2006 00:33:

too late now, but here was what they had in mind.

http://www.tedco.ca/expo/about.html

Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-03-2006 06:10:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
too late now, but here was what they had in mind.

http://www.tedco.ca/expo/about.html

too much bullcrap politically correct stuff like electronic totem poles and plaza of nations etc.

F that!

I just want a good pedestrian street with unique pubs, cafes and tourist attractions right on the waterfront. Is that too much to ask?

Posted by JPinCanada on Nov-03-2006 06:25:

Could of caught me there

I probably would have gone for a visit.

Probably...

Posted by nacarter on Nov-03-2006 13:31:

The World's Fair bid was dead when Vancouver won the 2010 Winter Olympics bid. It's a pretty simple fact that there simply wasn't enough money to fund both bids/projects. Hosting the Olympics is already a somewhat risky proposition with a pretty low return. The Salt Lake City Winter Games cost $3 billion to put on, and turned a profit of only $100 million. Sounds like a lot, but it represents only a 3.3% return on investment - I get more from a GIC.

I also question whether there is a great legacy left when the fair leaves town. Very few of the facilities built for Expo '86 in Vancouver are still in use save the convention center. Most installations built for past World's Fairs are sitting in an almost ruinous state in parks, offering nothing of value to the host city.

Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-03-2006 13:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
I just want a good pedestrian street with unique pubs, cafes and tourist attractions right on the waterfront. Is that too much to ask?

man i could actually picture something like that in my mind right now. it'd be so cool having a long strip of cafe's, restaurants, pubs and entertainment along the lake

Posted by malek on Nov-03-2006 14:15:

quote:
Originally posted by nacarter
The Salt Lake City Winter Games cost $3 billion to put on, and turned a profit of only $100 million. Sounds like a lot, but it represents only a 3.3% return on investment - I get more from a GIC.

wow since when organizing olympics to be a buisness endeavour supposed to have good ROI?!?

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Nov-03-2006 15:06:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Good!

What an incredible waste of money and resources this would have been.

so agreed

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