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Posted by metalgearsolid on Nov-04-2006 21:33:

King Russia and their new movement towards a better life

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Hundreds of nationalist Russians held By MARIA DANILOVA,

MOSCOW - Police moved to block thousands of ultranationalist demonstrators rallying in Russian streets on Saturday, arresting hundreds who gathered in defiance of a ban on far-right demonstrations.

A main organizer of the demonstrations, Alexander Belov, said rallies attracting thousands had taken place in more than 20 cities including Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar in southern Russia, Blagoveshchensk in the Russian Far East and the Siberian city of Novosibirsk.

He said police also detained activists in Novosibirsk and sought to block the marchers in a number of other cities.

The decision by authorities in the Russian capital and other cities to prevent the far-right supporters from marching, and the subsequent police response, appeared to mark an effort to dispel accusations that the government is doing little to combat rising xenophobia in Russia.

Russia has seen an increase in hate crimes against dark-skinned foreigners, Jews and immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus. This year, 39 people have been killed in apparent hate crimes and a further 308 attacked, according to the Sova rights center.

A year after security forces failed to intervene as marchers gave the Nazi salute and cried "Heil Hitler," Moscow police enforced a ban on marches and carted away demonstrators. The demonstrations were timed to coincide with a Russian national holiday newly created last year.

Rights activists said Saturday that authorities still needed to do more.

"A systematic response is not just one event, but regularly prosecuting people for what they should be prosecuted," said Alexander Verkhovsky of Sova.

Police in one Moscow street encircled groups of young men and hauled them off into buses, said Lidia Mikhailova, a spokeswoman for Dmitry Rogozin, a nationalist politician who had been involved in organizing the event.

Mikhailova told The Associated Press that she had seen dozens detained in this way and, citing other witnesses, estimated that several hundred people were taken into police custody.

Interfax news agency quoted a law enforcement source as saying that police detained more than 200 activists. A police desk officer in Moscow, who did not give his name, denied there were arrests.

Several hundred police, some wearing black helmets and carrying truncheons, surrounded a central square where up to 2,000 people rallied near a Russian Orthodox convent. Demonstrators waved flags from radical parties while some held religious icons.

Triumphant music played over loudspeakers. At one point, many in the crowd stretched out their hands in a Nazi-type salute.

Demonstrators complained of the presence in Russia of dark-skinned migrants from other former Soviet republics, whom they derisively refer to as "blacks."

"I came here to remember that I am also a Russian man. I live well, I earn well, I have a family, but the blacks, they spoil my life," said a 32-year-old man who identified himself only as Pavel.

Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov forbade Saturday's procession, saying that ultranationalists had used the Nov. 4 Day of People's Unity last year to express extremist views.

"Don't confuse German fascists with Russian patriots," said a banner held up by a young man with close-cropped hair.

In Russia's second largest city, St. Petersburg, police broke up a fist fight between several hundred far-right activists and antifascists. They detained dozens of ultranationalists for participating in a banned rally there, as well as a number of their leftist opponents, Interfax reported.

Meanwhile, liberal politicians and rights group held an authorized counter-rally in Moscow to protest the rise of xenophobia and to promote tolerance. About 500 people gathered holding flags with the words "Russian Anti-Fascist Front" and banners that read: "I am Russian and therefore not a fascist."

The political and economic turmoil that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union generated hostility toward foreigners, especially millions of migrant workers. The trend has worsened in recent years despite a rise in incomes and political stability as authorities failed to crack down on extremist groups and hate crimes.


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Posted by Marc Summers on Nov-04-2006 23:22:

That's not freedom.

Everyone has a right to protest, rally, and demonstrate.

EDIT: yes, even the KKK...


Posted by metalgearsolid on Nov-05-2006 01:04:

It is a big deal seeing as to how the Nazis see the slavic race as sub-human. Their intentions durinng WW2 was to exterminate the slavic race. These people forgot that Nazis saw them as inferior as the dark skinned individual.

I feel sorry for the Russians' they are a sad people, and at first I thought it was stupidity. They are being serious though. Which is even sadder.


Posted by Siberian Son on Nov-07-2006 12:42:



It's funny to watch how the press of different countries (or sometimes even civilizations) works.


Posted by Siberian Son on Nov-07-2006 12:49:

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I feel sorry for the Russians' they are a sad people, and at first I thought it was stupidity. They are being serious though. Which is even sadder.


Man, you should learn one thing: there are no stupid ppl there between those who has a power. In any state which has any kind of power.


Posted by metalgearsolid on Nov-07-2006 14:47:

Mag is that you? Jesus christ man why are you under a different name now? And you are not living in Novosibirsk. What a lie! You twat!



p.s. if you really do live in Novosibirsk please send me some pictures of the city by your own camara Which i doubt you would do. But I would do the same for u if u did it for me.


Posted by Siberian Son on Nov-07-2006 18:54:

quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Mag is that you? Jesus christ man why are you under a different name now? And you are not living in Novosibirsk. What a lie! You twat!



p.s. if you really do live in Novosibirsk please send me some pictures of the city by your own camara Which i doubt you would do. But I would do the same for u if u did it for me.


Well ehhh, I'm not Mag


Posted by LeSamourai on Nov-08-2006 20:52:

quote:
It is a big deal seeing as to how the Nazis see the slavic race as sub-human. Their intentions durinng WW2 was to exterminate the slavic race. These people forgot that Nazis saw them as inferior as the dark skinned individual.



Exactly! Are these people stupid? Well you will find most of the people in these groups are in the lower rungs of the social and economic ladder. Extremists usually target and recruit from the poor and the downtrodden. I mean its rare you'll find a somewhat educated person with an upwardly mobile career join these type of groups.

But why associate with Nazis? People who killed MILLIONS of your fellow Russians back in the day.

But who cares...aside from the beautyiful women who would want to visit Russia anyway? They can bicker and squabble, blame "dark-skinned" foreigners for all their problems and not take personal responsibility all they want. Who cares? The true economic powerhouses are in Asia...I could give a rats ass about these idiots


Posted by metalgearsolid on Jan-17-2007 16:26:

But Russia will have an influence in the future when the majority of nations need their resources. But by then Russia will be a muslim nation


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-17-2007 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
But Russia will have an influence in the future when the majority of nations need their resources. But by then Russia will be a muslim nation


It doesn't have any influence now, It won't have any in the future.
'Cause that country is lead by a bunch of morons.


Posted by Lira on Jan-17-2007 22:18:

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A year after security forces failed to intervene as marchers gave the Nazi salute and cried "Heil Hitler," Moscow police enforced a ban on marches and carted away demonstrators.

What the hell?! That's almost as absurd as a nazi demonstration in England!


Posted by Magnetonium on Jan-17-2007 22:22:



I've said it before very clearly in some other thread here a while ago that Russian Federation has a very very democractic constitution, one of the best written democractic constitutions in the world. The question is, how well is it enforced?

Yes, there is a lot of Nazi scum in Russia, kids who don't know history or what they are doing. Russia has many problems, and these kids gets brainwashed into thinking that its Jews and immigrants, blacks that cause their problems, dumb thinking, of course.

Just dont believe everything the media says, ESPECIALLY in Russia.


Posted by metalgearsolid on Jan-17-2007 22:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
What the hell?! That's almost as absurd as a nazi demonstration in England!
No, your wrong about that.

That's almost as absurd as a nazis demonstration in Mexico!



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