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An Atheist's Worst Nightmare: The Banana

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zwbhAXe5yk

wow. i must admit, they've got me there! i am hereby resigning my atheist position in favour of the illogical church of bullshit

seriously, how the hell is america the world's superpower?

Ha ha ha AMEN Brother!!!

Its not the banana that scares me, it's the religious freaks who make the banana scary that scare me.

I suppose thousands of years of selective breeding has nothing to do with the modern day banana?

There are two lenses. One is concave, the other is convex. Look through one, and you see your surroundings much different than if you looked thru' the other. The same goes for worldviews. When evaluating our reality, people look thru' lenses (worldviews). Now, the evangelical's worldview is theistic; the opposing view perhaps naturalistic. He is looking at his reality thru' his theistic lense. What he sees is not what a naturalist sees. Both start out at basic assumptions of truth, and if one is truelly based in one view or the other, they have closed their 'mind'.

His assumption is that Jehovah exists, and that the universe was made by Jehovah. Whereas, a naturalist assumes there is no god. Because the naturalist already assumes there is no god, watching the evangelical guy describing the apparent intelligent design of a banana would seem funny and retarded to un-informed naturalists who assume there is no god.

But what's retarded is how close-minded some of you open-minded folks are...SOME

If you want to make fun of the guy, by all means do it, but you are not showing any open-mindedness on your part...

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Originally posted by Krypton There are two lenses. One is concave, the other is convex. Look through one, and you see your surroundings much different than if you looked thru' the other. The same goes for worldviews. When evaluating our reality, people look thru' lenses (worldviews). Now, the evangelical's worldview is theistic; the opposing view perhaps naturalistic. He is looking at his reality thru' his theistic lense. What he sees is not what a naturalist sees. Both start out at basic assumptions of truth, and if one is truelly based in one view or the other, they have closed their 'mind'. His assumption is that Jehovah exists, and that the universe was made by Jehovah. Whereas, a naturalist assumes there is no god. Because the naturalist already assumes there is no god, watching the evangelical guy describing the apparent intelligent design of a banana would seem funny and retarded to un-informed naturalists who assume there is no god. But what's retarded is how close-minded some of you open-minded folks are...SOME If you want to make fun of the guy, by all means do it, but you are not showing any open-mindedness on your part...

You know what, even from a theistic perspective, it's still and idiotic way of explaining the existence of the banana so save your ranting for a situation that actually merits it.

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Originally posted by Krypton But what's retarded is how close-minded some of you open-minded folks are...SOME If you want to make fun of the guy, by all means do it, but you are not showing any open-mindedness on your part...

laughing at an idiot's non sequiturs does not make one close-minded. goddamn im sick of every idiot on this board accusing you of being close-minded because you have made up your opinion on something whats the point of searching for answers at all if youre only gonna be labelled when you find them?

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His assumption is that Jehovah exists, and that the universe was made by Jehovah. Whereas, a naturalist assumes there is no god. Because the naturalist already assumes there is no god, watching the evangelical guy describing the apparent intelligent design of a banana would seem funny and retarded to un-informed naturalists who assume there is no god.

as venomx says, the argument is idiotic regardless of your own theistic position.

stoned

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Originally posted by venomX You know what, even from a theistic perspective, it's still and idiotic way of explaining the existence of the banana so save your ranting for a situation that actually merits it.

rant, you say? why so defensive?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN laughing at an idiot's non sequiturs does not make one close-minded. goddamn im sick of every idiot on this board accusing you of being close-minded because you have made up your opinion on something whats the point of searching for answers at all if youre only gonna be labelled when you find them?

Not only have you made an opinion, but you repeatedly bash opposing viewpoints, especially if they relate to religion...

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wow. i must admit, they've got me there! i am hereby resigning my atheist position in favour of the illogical church of bullshit seriously, how the hell is america the world's superpower?

You're just as fundamentally anti-theist as these two christian guys are fundamentalist christian.

I couldnt help but blush and giggle a lot...

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Originally posted by Krypton Not only have you made an opinion, but you repeatedly bash opposing viewpoints, especially if they relate to religion...

So it would appear that your arguments indicate that one can never be so comfortable in their position, with the wherewithal that they have factual supportive documentation to substantiate their claims, such that they can freely denigrate the arguments of others should they lack said substance. Is that what you're arguing? How's Santa Clause doing?

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Originally posted by occrider So it would appear that your arguments indicate that one can never be so comfortable in their position, with the wherewithal that they have factual supportive documentation to substantiate their claims, such that they can freely denigrate the arguments of others should they lack said substance. Is that what you're arguing? How's Santa Clause doing?

My advice to Occrider: Eschew obfuscation.

If God created bananas then why didn't he create them so they could grow in my country (argued by most people to be the "Promised Land" Moses was actually looking for before he got lazy and settled in Israel)???

Nuff said

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Originally posted by Krypton rant, you say? why so defensive?

Defensive? Are you joking? Man put down that crack pipe hehe. Also, i'm more or less sure it's been established where the banana came from, and also that many species feed off of it, and that its not present in the whole world. So saying that god fined tuned the banana specifically for us human is dumb regardless of it being expounded from a theistic point of view. And yes, what you wrote is a rant because there is no good reason to defend that clown for making such a stupid argument, what you're trying to do is push in your on views disguising them as some sort of "argument" in favour of spewing stupid ideas just because you believe in "god".

This is great.

I can't wait to learn in their next episode how the banana proves that Jesus Christ is our lord and savior and that Christianity is the only true religion!


Ohh the suspense is killing me!!

Yea, I saw this the other night...

My thought was, out of all the fruits out there, what if this just happens to be a coincidence?

id like to know how you atheists explain this then



i always thought religion was shit, now we have proof!

It is a rather interesting way of describing the banana. Coming from a christian background, I completely see where he is coming from. That's stems from my assumption that a divine being exists. So, I'm going to come to his defense, even if he sounds a little like he's trying too hard.

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Originally posted by occrider So it would appear that your arguments indicate that one can never be so comfortable in their position, with the wherewithal that they have factual supportive documentation to substantiate their claims, such that they can freely denigrate the arguments of others should they lack said substance. Is that what you're arguing? How's Santa Clause doing?

Agree to disagree. I believe there is evidence for both sides, depending on where you start. A belief in the supernatural, or not.

I don't believe in Santa Claus

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Defensive? Are you joking? Man put down that crack pipe hehe. Also, i'm more or less sure it's been established where the banana came from, and also that many species feed off of it, and that its not present in the whole world. So saying that god fined tuned the banana specifically for us human is dumb regardless of it being expounded from a theistic point of view. And yes, what you wrote is a rant because there is no good reason to defend that clown for making such a stupid argument, what you're trying to do is push in your on views disguising them as some sort of "argument" in favour of spewing stupid ideas just because you believe in "god".

I wasn't argueing the merits of christianity or a banana. I was argueing against close-mindedness. That was my entire point. I got tired of being called close-minded simply because I believe in absolutes, so I'm going to call it out. If I can be critisized by like 10 people in every thread, certainly you can take a little from me.

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, as I take to heart what some have critisized me for, and don't ever take it personally, even if someone means it personally..

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Originally posted by Krypton It is a rather interesting way of describing the banana. Coming from a christian background, I completely see where he is coming from. That's stems from my assumption that a divine being exists. So, I'm going to come to his defense, even if he sounds a little like he's trying too hard.

why is it interesting? why is it evidence of anything at all? should we point at all the other things that humans eat that don't fit into the human hand in such a fashion? its an idiotic argument that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. its evidence of nothing.

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Originally posted by Krypton I wasn't argueing the merits of christianity or a banana. I was argueing against close-mindedness. That was my entire point. I got tired of being called close-minded simply because I believe in absolutes, so I'm going to call it out. If I can be critisized by like 10 people in every thread, certainly you can take a little from me. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, as I take to heart what some have critisized me for, and don't ever take it personally, even if someone means it personally..

You see, thats where you got it wrong. You are not doing any constructive criticism. We are bashing that guy, because it's a ridiculous way of describing a banana, albeit apparently interesting for you (which i suspect its a charade anyways). If it were something where there was space to debate its origin, uses, etc.. then you would have a valid point. But i sincerely doubt that there's any wiggle room to describe the origins of a banana in any other way then what it is, unless you're a 3 year old, maybe. Taking this into account, your "constructive criticism" is uncalled for, and has no basis. You're (and you've just admitted it) basically just lashing it out because you believe people here have wronged you, and you're mad. So again, i stand by my point that you're "constructive criticism" is nothing more than a rant.

Well, if it weren't interesting, there wouldn't be a thread about it...

Again, you miss my entire point. I'm not argueing the merits of his beliefs.

So, I'm lashing out because I feel like I've been wronged?

This entire thread is lashing out against religion, by the very group of people (naturalist) who claim to be open-minded. What I'm getting at is this; the bashing will lead to hatred, which stems from close-mindedness. That's my criticism.

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Originally posted by Krypton Well, if it weren't interesting, there wouldn't be a thread about it...

there isnt a thread because it is of interest, theres a thread to highlight the lack of intellectualy inquiry behind creationism.

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Originally posted by Krypton This entire thread is lashing out against religion, by the very group of people (naturalist) who claim to be open-minded. What I'm getting at is this; the bashing will lead to hatred, which stems from close-mindedness. That's my criticism.

arguing that its a ridiculous position to equate the human hand & banana with god does not make someone narrow minded.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN arguing that its a ridiculous position to equate the human hand & banana with god does not make someone narrow minded.

You aren't argueing though. You are just labelling all people who believe in a higher power 'shit' in your own words.

Kirk Cameron is one of the most fundamentalist evangelicals that I know of. The more extreme one's views, the more extreme the explanations have to be when one tries to defend them.

The same way he argues that that a banana is proof of god (although a valid point was raised, if bananas are really god made why cant i grow them outside my house. Seems terribly inconvenient for them to travel half way around the world just so i can eat them. It would be much simpler if i could just go out a pick a few now that would be proof of god) i can argue that a steak is proof that there is no god as eating it is terribly hard unless some very specific conditions are met. First of all you have to kill the animal the meat is attached to and make some cuts so you wind up with a slab of useful material. You cant eat it raw because it tastes awful and most likely you will get sick so you have to grill it or something to fix that problem. And once you are done with that you still cant pick it up in your hands (like a banana) and eat it because now its too fucking hot. You need a knife and fork to handle that sucker.
A terribly complicated process just to get a simple meal wouldn't you say? Surely if god was around he would make all this much simpler. For instance you could pick grilled stakes off trees and eat them with you hands not bothered by the heat because of the higher pain threshold god would have provided us with.

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