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Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-13-2006 11:14:

Borat is lame.

Am i the only one who thinks this guy completely sucks goat cock and he's overrated like shit? i haven't seen his movie, and it dosen't really catch my attention...i saw him at the Tonight Show and it just seems like he tries too hard and entertains the easily amused.
Definitely not my type of humor...but why is everyone going so nuts over him? i just don't see it. I don't think the guy deserves all the attention he's getting either, tool.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-13-2006 11:15:

Doesn't surprise me one bit you don't get it.

Posted by TranceGiant on Nov-13-2006 11:18:

In Soviet-Kazakhstan you are Borat's Vagine.

Posted by TweeK on Nov-13-2006 11:22:

Me and this one chick went to see the borat. The movie it self was stupid. Sure it had its funny moments but over all it wasnt all that funny like people made it seem at all.

Posted by tranceholic on Nov-13-2006 11:40:

he's just a entertainer
you don't like him because of the following reasons:

1) jealousy
2) jealousy
3) racist jokes
4) jealousy
5) jealousy

Posted by mellow_head on Nov-13-2006 11:47:

Re: Borat is lame.

Posted by astroboy on Nov-13-2006 12:12:

Re: Borat is lame.

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
Am i the only one who thinks this guy completely sucks goat cock and he's overrated like shit? i haven't seen his movie, and it dosen't really catch my attention...i saw him at the Tonight Show and it just seems like he tries too hard and entertains the easily amused.
Definitely not my type of humor...but why is everyone going so nuts over him? i just don't see it. I don't think the guy deserves all the attention he's getting either, tool.

He has been overhyped. And the problem with him is that he isn't funny in interviews, that's not what the character was invented for. To figure out whether you like him or not you have to see him in one of his older sketches where he interacts with people who don't know he's fake.

Cohen's satire, regardless of which particular character he is using, is effective because he plays an idiot and/or a foreigner. This forces people to cut the BS and express their beliefs in the simplest terms - kinda similar to the picaresque tradition or Huckleberry Finn. He can just ask a politician whether he thinks the Jews will go to heaven or hell and the guy gives him a straight answer because he assumes he won't understand the BS he usually shrouds it with.

The other thing Borat in particular does well is show how racism and other prejudices are as much a product of acquiescence and mob mentality as of malicious intent. Most Germans during the third reich just acquiesced to what the establishment was telling them to think.

It's like when you talk to someone about a movie they saw and they tell you they didn't really like it. Then someone else who this person thinks is super cool comes along and says "oh have you seen such and such film? It's fantastic isn't it?" and suddenly the first person turns around completely and goes "yeah it was pretty good"... Most forms of prejudice link back to that very phenomenon and The Nazi movement was just that on a massive scale. This is what Borat points out... he can be ridiculously racist or anti semitic and most people are happy to just go along with it.

But to reiterate - don't judge the comedic value of any of Cohen's characters based on their performances on chat/interview shows.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Nov-13-2006 12:44:

i dont find borat overly hilarious but he has his moments.

but yeh u are entitled to ur opinion.

thats all i got.

Posted by Nell on Nov-13-2006 13:22:

why make a new thread? you must be special

Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-13-2006 13:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Doesn't surprise me one bit you don't get it.

what do you mean by that?

i said "i just don't see it". i don't get the hype, he's completely shit.

Posted by TranceGiant on Nov-13-2006 13:30:

Very well written, Astroboy!

That's Cohen's real motive which unfortunately many people don't understand when blaming him for racism and systematic defamation of a country. It could have just as well been an Albanian who hates Blacks - the purpose remains the same.

What I also admire is Cohen's unbelievable improvisation skills and his ability to stay "serious" and within his charakter in the most absurde situations. This guy must have some switch in his brain which enables him to turn off all emotions, it's just unreal.

Looking forward to the "Bruno" movie now

Posted by mellow_head on Nov-13-2006 13:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
what do you mean by that?

i said "i just don't see it". i don't get the hype, he's completely shit.

He's just making meatballs.

Posted by bananas on Nov-13-2006 13:37:

the movie is great, the interviews are funny too, it's not "the hype" they're funny, it's more like a hype of "borat is lame" i see.

Posted by mellow_head on Nov-13-2006 13:37:

Banan4xx0r!
stfu!

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-13-2006 13:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
what do you mean by that?

I mean exactly what I said.

Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-13-2006 13:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I mean exactly what I said.

why dosen't it surprise you? do you have something to say or are you going to pussy out behind your monitor.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-13-2006 14:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
why dosen't it surprise you? do you have something to say or are you going to pussy out behind your monitor.

Christ, you really are a fucking idiot... and I thought I was just messing around.

Posted by astroboy on Nov-13-2006 14:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
i said "i just don't see it". i don't get the hype, he's completely shit.

DO you realise that it's not just a guy in a bad suit making a fool of himself in a silly accent (if it was very few people would find it funny) - there's serious political commentary going on?

I've made a post detailing why his brand of satire is quite brilliant and funny. Can you post why he isn't funny?... Preferably something beyond "hes completely shit".

edit: for example how do you justify the claim that he caters to the "easily amused"... I think the subtext is relatively complex as far as comedy goes

Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-13-2006 14:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Christ, you really are a fucking idiot... and I thought I was just messing around.

haha, fuck off gimp... go stimulate your underdeveloped mind to flight 643.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-13-2006 14:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
haha, fuck off gimp... go stimulate your underdeveloped mind to flight 643.

Nah, I'd rather stay here and belittle retards.

Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-13-2006 14:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Nah, I'd rather stay here and belittle retards.

what for? you seem to fail at that as well.

And Astro, i've seen clips and he's just not my thing. It's just the way he comes across as an idiot that kills it for me, i find him annoying.

There's other comedians who use political commentary that i enjoy more. Am i missing out? Maybe i'de have to watch the film instead of clips, but his character alone annoys me so i doubt i'de go see it.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-13-2006 14:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
what for? you seem to fail at that as well.

Yeah, you completely owned me with your witty comebacks. Well played.

I can't take the shame.

Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-13-2006 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yeah, you completely owned me with your witty comebacks. Well played.

I can't take the shame.

ok.

Posted by mellow_head on Nov-13-2006 14:25:

Kids...go play in the sandbox

Posted by AnLyGi on Nov-13-2006 14:25:

Borat is quality. He is ignorant, offensive and downright rude. I love him.

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