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Posted by bas on Nov-16-2006 03:59:

Thumbs up Warm-Up DJs

Personally I'm all for opener/warm-up DJs. I think they're an essential part of clubbing, sometimes I don't like getting to clubs late because I don't like getting there with the main dj already on and rocking. I like the opener to do what they're supposed to, open! This thread is inspired by two thigns, first the DJ I saw opening for Lawler and Pete Tong at Pacha, Ibiza was phenomenal! Nice and deep to start and getting techy/funky whatever just before Lawler got on. I've never enjoyed an opener more before that, I just wish I could remember who it was . Second...this post from the West Coast forum regarding NYE:

quote:

F%& The Warm Up DJ gives us what we pay for!

I can guarantee you that Ferry or Armin would both know how to get the crowd started with out needing the assistance of a warm up DJ
...


I hardly doubt Armin OR Ferry would sound right opening at 9pm and playing till past 4am. Not only would their (or a majority of djs for that matter) sets probably run out of steam, but c'mon...they play pretty banging stuff.

Thoughts?


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-16-2006 04:00:

Re: Warm-Up DJs

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
Personally I'm all for opener/warm-up DJs. I think they're an essential part of clubbing, sometimes I don't like getting to clubs late because I don't like getting there with the main dj already on and rocking. I like the opener to do what they're supposed to, open! This thread is inspired by two thigns, first the DJ I saw opening for Lawler and Pete Tong at Pacha, Ibiza was phenomenal! Nice and deep to start and getting techy/funky whatever just before Lawler got on. I've never enjoyed an opener more before that, I just wish I could remember who it was . Second...this post from the West Coast forum regarding NYE:



I hardly doubt Armin OR Ferry would sound right opening at 9pm and playing till past 4am. Not only would their (or a majority of djs for that matter) sets probably run out of steam, but c'mon...they play pretty banging stuff.

Thoughts?



Actually armin does the extended armin only sets... so props to him for that...


Ibiza warm up djs FTW.


Posted by DOOMBOT on Nov-16-2006 04:01:

One of the best warm-up dj's I have ever seen was DJ Three, who opened for Steve Lawler a couple months ago. His set blew me away...


Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-16-2006 04:04:

Roland when he opened for Steve Lawler at Space, Miami in 2003...he just did an amazing 3 hour set opening for Lawler. Started it off with Valentino - Flying..ooooof.


Posted by Konijn on Nov-16-2006 04:06:

the opener, however skilled, ultimately has to complement the main act.

my fave tiesto opener was always noel sanger; for pvd it was edgar v.


Posted by Gillis maximus on Nov-16-2006 04:39:

Kazell opens for Digweed sometimes .......Does a great job.


Posted by |Thrax| on Nov-16-2006 05:04:

I agree with bas, openers do a great job when they draw a crowd but do their job.

some of the best openers I have seen

Bas
John Do and Justin from BasicLA
Kazell


Posted by epdarks on Nov-16-2006 05:06:

Saw Andy Moor open for 4 Strings once. Took the show. Nice slow proggy trance.

I agree, opening Dj's rule. As long as they have some talent.


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-16-2006 05:07:

quote:
Originally posted by |Thrax|
I agree with bas, openers do a great job when they draw a crowd but do their job.

some of the best openers I have seen

Bas
John Do and Justin from BasicLA
Kazell



Heard good things about John Do from Bas!


Posted by bas on Nov-16-2006 07:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Allied Nations
Heard good things about John Do from Bas!

John Do is a FANTASTIC DJ, I absolutely love hearing him spin. I've seen him and Justin open for a plethora of djs as Avalon residents and they never disappoint.

Anyway, I asked this because I enjoy playing as an opener, granted not as many people will hear me it's still the openers responsibility to get the club going. For the most part the opener should really be going off for maybe 20-30 mins. I had an opener set that was from 9-10:30. I played mostly deep house at around 124 bpm and stepped it up to some tech/funky house at 126 for 20 mins or so. I think I had more fun doing that than playing a "headliner" set. I want to do it again so bad


Posted by jahnlay on Nov-16-2006 13:51:

Warm up dj's are definitely necessary. I do warm up for a gig called Teknotribe and it really has taught me a lot. It sets the tone for the whole evening and allows the dj's after to progress from one area to another.


Posted by sleepydragon on Nov-16-2006 14:31:

Re: Warm-Up DJs

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas

I hardly doubt Armin OR Ferry would sound right opening at 9pm and playing till past 4am. Not only would their (or a majority of djs for that matter) sets probably run out of steam, but c'mon...they play pretty banging stuff.

Thoughts?


armin does armin only nights he plays for 9 hours or something stupid. i think that warm up djs probably dont get enough credit alot of people see the warm up as just filing the time before the main dj comes on.


Posted by ZeJayMan on Nov-16-2006 14:32:

Some of the warm up dj's i've seen have played far more interesting and audibly pleasing songs than the main event dj's. Scot Project for example was much better than Marco V when I seen him warming up the dancefloor.


Posted by Johan (DJ Irish) on Nov-16-2006 14:35:

A good opener is worth his wait in gold...alsmost

It's usually a very ungreatful job, except for those last 30 minutes when the floor should be jumpin'. Little pay, not much recognition. But yet it's so important for the overall vibe of the night.

Today it feels lika a lost art to open properly. Too many, usually new and young promoters, put them selves or their friends as opener, completely ignoring the fact that these people only, and I repeat only, spin something like Hard Style or something similar.


Posted by farley on Nov-16-2006 16:56:

I completely agree (and laughed hard at the comment in West Coast, lol) but generally local djs that warm up in Denver are so bad we skip them as much as possible. Ex: Playing Because We Can just prior to JZ getting on, Aftermath, Mouth to Mouth, etc...and when they're not dropping rediculously big tracks the flow is the worst shit I've heard in my life, honestly.

The only good dj we had for opening (who just started getting good in the last 6 months, prior he was really, really shit) just left for Berlin, so we're kinda boned here now...his replacement is nothing short of horrible, not to mention still playing tracks the last resident was for 3+ mos each night out


Posted by simonbostock on Nov-16-2006 19:26:

From past experiences, a lot of the "Pro" dj's have clauses in their contracts that say the previous warmup DJ are not allowed to go any higher than a certain BPM.

And generally speaking, promoters have to give the warm up DJ's a bitching hard time if they're bringing the tempo up too much, as the line up DJ of the night gets quite upset if the BPM is too fast.


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Nov-16-2006 19:36:

quote:
Originally posted by farley
The only good dj we had for opening (who just started getting good in the last 6 months, prior he was really, really shit) just left for Berlin, so we're kinda boned here now

Little Mike?

quote:
Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish)
A good opener is worth his wait in gold...alsmost

It's usually a very ungreatful job, except for those last 30 minutes when the floor should be jumpin'. Little pay, not much recognition. But yet it's so important for the overall vibe of the night.

Today it feels lika a lost art to open properly. Too many, usually new and young promoters, put them selves or their friends as opener, completely ignoring the fact that these people only, and I repeat only, spin something like Hard Style or something similar.

+1


Posted by ThomasNeil on Nov-16-2006 19:43:

Always need a good DJ to kick things off, Jon O'Bir is a fantastic DJ at performing this, he's opened for Armin, PvD et al & even Sasha, he has a great diversity which allows him to change things up, a quality that every resident should have.

James Algate, Paul Thomas & Chris Salt are also quality opening DJs


Posted by Psy-T on Nov-16-2006 19:46:

in my experience, good warm up djs are generally better than good headliners.

p.s.
due to lack of trust in the skills and understandings of the average dj, i much prefer playing the entire night myself from begining to end.


Posted by chesco on Nov-16-2006 19:57:

This is slightly retarded?

Of course all the big dj's know how to play a warm up set. the likleyhood is they've all been small time at one point in their life and had to do the very job.

The warm up dj's job is first and foremost to kill time until a crowd builds up.

I mean why pay tiesto �2000 for 2 hours (note: I'm not saying he gets paid that, i'm just putting a figure out there as an example) playing to an empty hall, when you could have some local dj do it more than likely for free.


Posted by bas on Nov-16-2006 20:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
p.s.
due to lack of trust in the skills and understandings of the average dj, i much prefer playing the entire night myself from beginning to end.

Heh, sounds a little pretentious no? Myself I can't stand when the openers play banging big room stuff at 11 before the night even starts. Avalon is notorious for having opener djs that do this, hate it! This one guy...Casey something, opened for Nic Fanciulli and played quite horribly, the tracks weren't "bad" per se, but geez...talk about lack of flow.


Posted by Psy-T on Nov-16-2006 20:03:

quote:
Originally posted by chesco
I mean why pay tiesto �2000 for 2 hours (note: I'm not saying he gets paid that, i'm just putting a figure out there as an example) playing to an empty hall, when you could have some local dj do it more than likely for free.


because when a headliner (especially as known as tiesto) gets booked to play the entire night, that very fact is used to promote the event further.
most people avoid the warm up djs they don't know, not the warm up slot.


Posted by Psy-T on Nov-16-2006 20:05:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
Heh, sounds a little pretentious no?


naturally, yeah... but it's not like i don't 'walk the walk'.

note: i am aware this post is even more pretentious than the one it is discussing


Posted by Clovis on Nov-16-2006 20:08:

Bad opening DJ's make me mad.


Posted by chesco on Nov-16-2006 20:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
because when a headliner (especially as known as tiesto) gets booked to play the entire night, that very fact is used to promote the event further.
most people avoid the warm up djs they don't know, not the warm up slot.


Point taken, however..

a promoter can only charge so much for ticket prices without the general public being put off. If he puts tiesto on for 3 hours from 12-3 (scottish licensing states clubs close at 3 ) he'll make a far greater profit off ticket sales than paying for tiesto from 10-3.


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