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UCLA Student abused by police using tazer :VIDEO:

This is fucking ridiculous.

Source: www.msnbc.com

"Iranian-American, U.S. CITIZEN and UCLA student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, was shot by UCLA'S UCPD on November 14th, 2006, because he could not show his Student ID. He was shot 5 times with a taser gun. Police threatened to shoot students who got too close. The Student yelled out that he had a medical condition, but the cops kept shooting."

You know, what pisses me off is not that they tazered him for no ID, but the fact that those asswipes kept telling him to get up, even while they were tazering him over and over again.

Watch Video HERE

Unreal.

Dude everything about that is wrong. Coming from a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you that these guys did everything that constitutes excessive force. He did not incite or resist. They became frustrated with his arrogance which caused this. Even though he probably should have kept his mouth shut, that was no excuse for what the officers did. They had him in custody and could have hog tied him and carried him if he would not get up. This borders the edge of torture and they will see a day in court.

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Originally posted by djjonas Dude everything about that is wrong. Coming from a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you that these guys did everything that constitutes excessive force. He did not incite or resist. They became frustrated with his arrogance which caused this. Even though he probably should have kept his mouth shut, that was no excuse for what the officers did. They had him in custody and could have hog tied him and carried him if he would not get up. This borders the edge of torture and they will see a day in court.

Yea man, I definitly agree with you Steve. In fact I just checked out another video on youtube.com from some news anchor on MSNBC that chose to cover the story. That kid's lawyer seems a little fishy to me. I don't think that "policeman in california are known to be aggressive" is gonna do any good in court for those cops, although I could relate to how it led up to the degree of that situation.

I just had my friend Sonal, who is officer of the American-Iranian Organization here at school cry on my shoulder for about a good 3 minutes straight. Un-fucking-real dude. Just unreal.

here's the video from Keith Olbermann's report on MSNBC.

VIDEO

And people wonder why I celebrate the death of police officers.

Steve was in law enforcement?

That must explain the insane urge I had to spit on him.

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Originally posted by djjonas Dude everything about that is wrong. Coming from a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you that these guys did everything that constitutes excessive force. He did not incite or resist. They became frustrated with his arrogance which caused this. Even though he probably should have kept his mouth shut, that was no excuse for what the officers did. They had him in custody and could have hog tied him and carried him if he would not get up. This borders the edge of torture and they will see a day in court.

Steve were you in law enforcement in Texas? just curious....

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Originally posted by architect1803 Steve were you in law enforcement in Texas? just curious....

Yep. Worked for an SO

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Originally posted by davemolina Steve was in law enforcement? That must explain the insane urge I had to spit on him.

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Originally posted by Zild And people wonder why I celebrate the death of police officers.

Nice fantasy there Steve.

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Originally posted by Zild Nice fantasy there Steve.

No. My fantasy is that your mom will quit coming over to my house.

Whatever you say Steve, whatever you say.

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Originally posted by Zild Whatever you say Steve, whatever you say.

mama's boy!

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Originally posted by iclone mama's boy!

Oh yea for sure.

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Originally posted by Zild Oh yea for sure.

You're not your usual charming self today. Forget to drink your ovaltine?

Steve, you win the "Dave's Fave TA of the Day" Award.

Great work!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Originally posted by davemolina Steve, you win the "Dave's Fave TA of the Day" Award. Great work!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

why did i first read that as "T&A of the day"?

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Originally posted by iclone why did i first read that as "T&A of the day"?

pervert...

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Originally posted by iclone why did i first read that as "T&A of the day"?

Dave's Fave "T&A" of the day is like Dave's Fave Alcohol of the day. Doesn't matter as long as it's something

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Originally posted by davemolina Steve, you win the "Dave's Fave TA of the Day" Award. Great work!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Do I get a prize?

It's the fault of the kid and the campus police (I call them Rent-a-Cops)... Battle of egos. The RentaCops had tasers.... he had a mouth... who's gonna win? Not that their actions were justified. I think they took it to far. Common sense people.


The racial profiling card is thrown to charge the entire situation with more political BS than is called for. Same with the idiot kid for screaming something about Homeland security.

The ID situation with the kid is inconsequential. Most Universities, for security purposes will ask for ID. They are private or State property and are well within their rights.

At my college Pre-9-11... One could not enter our library without ID under any circumstances. Due to a rape in past years.

That said, this will be big news.... the cops will be fired and the kid will sue the university for a large some of money and will be settled before it goes to trial.


Hypothetical question: What would you do as a security guard, if there had been a bomb scare the week prior at UCLA, and some teen-aged male of Middle Eastern-decent refused to produce ID when entering a building with a hundred students present? Would you profile him? Just made me think about things that run through people's heads.

If there were a bomb scare I'd be looking for crazy white fools like Tim McVeigh or the unabomber instead of harassing a middle eastern kid.

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Originally posted by Slow Motion The racial profiling card is thrown to.... Hypothetical question: What would you do as a security guard, if there had been a bomb scare the week prior at UCLA, and some teen-aged male of Middle Eastern-decent refused to produce ID when entering a building with a hundred students present? Would you profile him? Just made me think about things that run through people's heads.

I agree with the race thing. I heard both A.Cooper and Olbermann talk about how him being Iranian just proves that it was mostly based on his race. Me? I think that's nonsense. His lawyer's also trying to imply the same idea. I'm not one to judge on that sort of issue, nor am I an expert in law, but believe me I don't think that's gonna fly in court. The reality of it is that he refused to flash an ID in the library vs. the cops took things way too far. What pisses me off the most, again, is how his lawyer sits there and says things like "...people have to be aware that these are not your typical police...these are California cops, which are known to be very aggressive". Dude...even my friend Brittany's dad Mike Thaler, (Houston Police Department Executive Assistant Chief) agreed to the fact that Houston cops are waayyy more aggressive than CA cops when I asked him, and yet you dont see them running into the University of Houston Anderson library and eletricuting the 36% of middle-easterns there (not that we regurlay get checked for ID's either).

For the bomb question...yea I can see where in that particular case (since its a bomb) there would be a racial issue involved at first glance...and the obvious, of course, is the kind of people we have today running terrorist groups. But, don't be fooled by thinking that THEY in general are the ONLY ones that run terrorism. Think of those white dudes that they caught in Iraq a couple years back planning an attack on American soil...or that group of black and white men that planned on bringing down the Sears tower earlier this year.

I guess the reality of it is that we really can't tell how, when, or what will spark a terror attack. To answer your question...I really don't know what I would do if I were a security guard and I saw a middle-eastern student entering the library, refusing to flash an ID. Considering he's a student, I would feel more at ease thinking he really wouldn't be the type of guy to have any bombs strapped to him. Then again, that is exactly what terrorists do their homework on. They figure out what Americans think (location, time, etc...) would be the least expected attack and go for the kill. Who would have ever thought that two 767's would slam into the towers and bring them down the way they did?

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Originally posted by Slow Motion It's the fault of the kid and the campus police (I call them Rent-a-Cops)... Battle of egos. The RentaCops had tasers.... he had a mouth... who's gonna win? Not that their actions were justified. I think they took it to far. Common sense people. The racial profiling card is thrown to charge the entire situation with more political BS than is called for. Same with the idiot kid for screaming something about Homeland security. The ID situation with the kid is inconsequential. Most Universities, for security purposes will ask for ID. They are private or State property and are well within their rights. At my college Pre-9-11... One could not enter our library without ID under any circumstances. Due to a rape in past years. That said, this will be big news.... the cops will be fired and the kid will sue the university for a large some of money and will be settled before it goes to trial. Hypothetical question: What would you do as a security guard, if there had been a bomb scare the week prior at UCLA, and some teen-aged male of Middle Eastern-decent refused to produce ID when entering a building with a hundred students present? Would you profile him? Just made me think about things that run through people's heads.

Racial profiling is a cause of controversy. Cops are used to racially profile crimminals and potential threats for security purposes. This however brings controversy, specially because it also implies that all minorities of middle eastern decent have to face the fact that they have been profiled, and will have to suffer for the actions of crimminals profiled under the same ethnic group.

Not because they are crimminals, but because of their race.


Sounds like a bunch of crap right?

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Originally posted by diggerz Racial profiling is a cause of controversy. Cops are used to racially profile crimminals and potential threats for security purposes. This however brings controversy, specially because it also implies that all minorities of middle eastern decent have to face the fact that they have been profiled, and will have to suffer for the actions of crimminals profiled under the same ethnic group. Not because they are crimminals, but because of their race. Sounds like a bunch of crap right?

No, it sounds like a logical conclusion to make based on prior events motivated by ethnic/racial activities that are patently against the law of the society in which the individuals were residing. Fact is, until we start developing psi-cops with telepathy, security will take precedence over feelings. If a significant portion of an ethnic group are prone to violence against another group for whatever reason (cultural, religious, etc.), then logically it must be assumed that all individuals under that grouping have the potential for that same action, be it racial or otherwise. In the end, it's no different than the profiling that insurance companies inflict on millions of Americans on the highways that establish how much they're going to take out of you for premiums. Do male drivers ages 18-25 that wear glasses pitch fits when they get shafted six ways to Sunday on insurance because their imbecile generational colleagues screwed up time and again, often killing others in the process of their own stupidity? Is that not profiling based on age, or gender, or physical ability? Why is that "okay" but not racial profiling for potential criminal activity?

Of course, that can also be taken to a ludicrous extreme, ie - the 92 year-old woman who shot three cops just a couple days ago before being gunned down herself being used to profile all elderly females with handguns as being possible would-be cop-killers. There should be some common sense, both in toeing the line of security and in granting the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally posted by Zeonfiend No, it sounds like a logical conclusion to make based on prior events motivated by ethnic/racial activities that are patently against the law of the society in which the individuals were residing. Fact is, until we start developing psi-cops with telepathy, security will take precedence over feelings. If a significant portion of an ethnic group are prone to violence against another group for whatever reason (cultural, religious, etc.), then logically it must be assumed that all individuals under that grouping have the potential for that same action, be it racial or otherwise. In the end, it's no different than the profiling that insurance companies inflict on millions of Americans on the highways that establish how much they're going to take out of you for premiums. Do male drivers ages 18-25 that wear glasses pitch fits when they get shafted six ways to Sunday on insurance because their imbecile generational colleagues screwed up time and again, often killing others in the process of their own stupidity? Is that not profiling based on age, or gender, or physical ability? Why is that "okay" but not racial profiling for potential criminal activity? Of course, that can also be taken to a ludicrous extreme, ie - the 92 year-old woman who shot three cops just a couple days ago before being gunned down herself being used to profile all elderly females with handguns as being possible would-be cop-killers. There should be some common sense, both in toeing the line of security and in granting the benefit of the doubt.

I need to tackle this response later...

I agree with most of it though,

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