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Posted by Marc Summers on Nov-22-2006 03:47:

A life question

Lets assume that our body is completely biological, which is what most of the scientific world does anyway.

Now, I'm not a biologist, so this is why I ask this question. The reason we have a self-awareness is because of our unique brains. You have something different that makes you know you're John (Throwing a name out there). And I have something different that makes me know I'm Nick (Real name).

Lets say science becomes very advanced in the future, and we can create things molecule by molecule, or even atom by atom. Lets also say that freezing bodies isn't as damaging as it is now, and everything about me is completely preserved.

If scientists in the future used my old body as a model, and built me atom by atom, and molecule by molecule, without using any of my original parts, would it work? If they got everything right, the connections in my brain, the chemicals, an exact replica of my brain, would it be me?

Because if the reason I am self-aware is because of the way my brain is mapped out, I think it would work.

I was sitting on the shitter thinking this one up.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Nov-22-2006 03:48:

why on earth would science preserve you (or any of us for that matter)


Posted by Mebot on Nov-22-2006 03:48:

No, because you are a product of your environment and no scientist can replicate that.


Posted by Sunsnail on Nov-22-2006 03:48:

I'm not entirely sure how the brain stores information...


Posted by ZeJayMan on Nov-22-2006 03:50:

i think that no matter how advanced tech gets you won't be able to recreate brain connections and you won't be the same person because it's life experience that moulds you.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-22-2006 03:51:

Re: A life question

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
I was sitting on the shitter thinking this one up.


unfortunately i think you swapped the organs used in this process around


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Nov-22-2006 03:51:

I think you should read "Design For Dying" by Timothy Leary.


Posted by Marc Summers on Nov-22-2006 03:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
I'm not entirely sure how the brain stores information...


Yeah man, but it has to be something natural. And most of the time, humans can recreate natural things, artificially. So wtf? imagine that shit yo


Posted by Sunsnail on Nov-22-2006 03:54:

true, so I believe that it would be theoretically possible.


Posted by Marc Summers on Nov-22-2006 03:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
true, so I believe that it would be theoretically possible.


get on it!


Posted by ZeJayMan on Nov-22-2006 03:55:

No scientist could recreate my schlong, it would take an artist.


Posted by Akridrot on Nov-22-2006 03:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Akridrot
The fact that all life is nothing but stimuli (no souls/spirits), and everything is a social construct.


I touched on this a long time ago. Our brains are nothing but organs, why wouldn't they be able to replicate you?


Posted by Mebot on Nov-22-2006 03:57:

How do you create Neurons in a spatial construct?


Posted by Fast Turtle on Nov-22-2006 03:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Mebot
How do you create Neurons in a spatial construct?


nanomachines.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-22-2006 03:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Akridrot
I touched on this a long time ago. Our brains are nothing but organs, why wouldn't they be able to replicate you?


because the brain is more than the sum of its parts.


Posted by Mebot on Nov-22-2006 04:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Fast Turtle
nanomachines.


Dr. Robotnik!


Posted by Akridrot on Nov-22-2006 04:01:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
because the brain is more than the sum of its parts.


Then create those parts exactly. I don't believe that this is an impossible task, we will be doing this in the future. With ease.


Posted by Mebot on Nov-22-2006 04:03:

In 1,000 years we'll be gods or machines

-Tenshi


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-22-2006 04:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Akridrot
Then create those parts exactly. I don't believe that this is an impossible task, we will be doing this in the future. With ease.


nah, it'd never be possible. it'd be like making a hard drive from scratch and expecting it to have the exact same data on it as another older, used one. you can copy the organ as exactly as you like, and it'll just be a brain empty of information.

now, if you could extract information from one brain and implant it in another, that would be a different story altogether.

but under the conditions posed by the OP, theres no way it would work.


Posted by Sunsnail on Nov-22-2006 04:10:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
nah, it'd never be possible. it'd be like making a hard drive from scratch and expecting it to have the exact same data on it as another older, used one. you can copy the organ as exactly as you like, and it'll just be a brain empty of information.

now, if you could extract information from one brain and implant it in another, that would be a different story altogether.

but under the conditions posed by the OP, theres no way it would work.


But isnt the information on the brain stored physically? If you can recreate a brain from another perfectly the information will be transferred as well.


Posted by Marc Summers on Nov-22-2006 04:12:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
nah, it'd never be possible. it'd be like making a hard drive from scratch and expecting it to have the exact same data on it as another older, used one. you can copy the organ as exactly as you like, and it'll just be a brain empty of information.

now, if you could extract information from one brain and implant it in another, that would be a different story altogether.

but under the conditions posed by the OP, theres no way it would work.


quote:
Hard disks record information by magnetizing a magnetic material in a pattern that represents the data. They read the data back by detecting the magnetization of the material.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Just recreate the magnetic patern, it is possible!

The same goes with memories. If we can find however memories are stored, we would be able to recreate the pattern.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Nov-22-2006 04:13:

I think it's possible, but why would we want to?


Posted by Marc Summers on Nov-22-2006 04:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I think it's possible, but why would we want to?


Why WOULDN'T you want to?

Earth - 2500 = flying cars


Posted by Sunsnail on Nov-22-2006 04:14:

It'd be neat.


Posted by tranceDJ on Nov-22-2006 04:18:

If this were possible it would discredit the theory of a soul. Souls are theoretically unique and to create an "exact" replica of a person would show that they do not exist.

I believe in souls and a person's spirit so I don't think this is possible because you could only get so far as to create a biological copy of someone possibly through cloning but they would never be "exactly" the same.

I like the idea however. I think we're already kind of moving towards this. We're already started to grow organs in laboratories. It really would be crazy if we could "grow" a human or another animal.


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