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seems as though it's coming out on December 1st....which is less than a day. who's looking into buying it? i listened to some of the samples and it seems pretty good. i noticed it has that same sound in the higher frequency as vanguard but a bit less. price still hasn't been announced yet . shouldn't be too much. im guessing $150-$200.

I'm pretty interested in this...the teaser got me.

Re: reFX Nexus

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Originally posted by TaylorR price still hasn't been announced yet . shouldn't be too much. im guessing $150-$200.

I'm guessing 300-350�

I hope it's for around 200�, if so, I'll buy it soon(ish). Otherwise I have to think about it more.

sounds cool but reminds the cheesiness of the vanguard a bit...hehe...

us$299 expansions will be $69

there are sound demos up now on the refx site..

Dance orchestral sounds awesome.. I'm suprised.

The Vengeance demo sounds very promising and long 20min+

299$ for a rompler is a bit price heavy. Nexus sounds smashing.

Going to be fun to hear 2007 trance tracks...

Wow, I've been really excited about this thing, but when I heard the sound demos I was utterly disappointed. They were nothing but bad orchestrals, lame guitars and cheesy pads, and that house expansion demo was a joke, sounded like a bad 80's TV commercial score. Basically every sound I heard reminded me of Roland D50, not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's a blast from the past... absolutely NOTHING new that I could hear...

Oh, and they're SELLING the extra skins, come on guys, how greedy can you get

I'm taking that 299$ and buying a Roland JV1080 instead

check out the sound demo @ www.vengeance-sound.de

won't probably dissapoint many here @ TA...

pity the site still says its in development when its meant to be released today

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Originally posted by Mechgear pity the site still says its in development when its meant to be released today

try refreshing.. thats not what I get

Yeah, it looks like its released. The sound demo sounds fabolous!

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Originally posted by Low Profile Wow, I've been really excited about this thing, but when I heard the sound demos I was utterly disappointed.

yeah, i was a bit disappointed as well. but i'll try out the demo.

and it is a bit pricey in my opinion considering it is reFX and all of their other synths are dirt cheap.

Now what do you think will this new VSTi bring to the trance scene? Some original, groundbreaking tracks, or more of the preset-based, cookie-cutter, crap made by kids all over the world who downloaded Nexus through some torrent or w@rez site? How will this affect legitimate producers who spend time actually designing their own sounds and loops and arpeggios? This VSTi will just oversaturate the market with commercial trance songs and make it that much harder for anybody to get signed.

What's your take on it? To tell you the truth, I wish Nexus was never born - I don't foresee anything good resulting from the release of this new plug-in.

Just because this VST came out doesn't mean it'll be harder or easier to get signed...thats like saying just because the Virus TI was release everyone is going to have a hard time to make it bigg out there.Besides its just a ROMpler..

Exactly. The desire of many trance listeners to make "trance-by-numbers" won't increase or decrease just because a new VST is released. The real problems are laziness and lack of knowledge of synthesis, which feed on each other and make people go crazy looking for "pro" presets.

I guess that's the real problem here - this VSTi promotes laziness when it comes to sound design and patch creation.

It's just my opinion that it will be extremely easy for people with absolutely no musical/production knowledge to create trance tracks simply using sound and pattern presets from this VSTi.

I'm not saying that this plug-in will directly prevent people from getting signed, but given how easy it will be creating tracks with this ROMpler, the trance music market will be oversaturated with songs produced (and I'm using this term very loosely) by amateurs.
I wouldn't have a problem with this VSTi if it wasn't so genre driven (trance being the genre, of course).

This VSTi is going to be THE sound engine for this:



But this is just my opinion. I'm sure other people will disagree.

i see what u mean about people being laziness and not trying to create a sound themselves but one "might" buy it in order to look for inspiration from new sounds. Somewhat like arturia's analog factory with a crap load of sounds for you to mess around with and try new things to build the inspiration factor.....only the analog factory sounds a heck of a lot better .
some people lose that inspiration when fiddling around trying to create a new sound when they just want to get straight to producing.

just a guess.....


another option is that someone could use the sounds from Nexus as a substitute until they create their own sounds...but i don't think people (or most people) would do that because of the laziness you were talking about. but if it sounds good then might as well stick with it.

The thing is, a ROMpler (is that what Nexus is?) doesn't teach a person much at all about synthesis. If you don't know much about synths in the first place, a ROMpler is basically a shiny, cool-sounding "mystery box" to you. But I guess someone could use it for inspiration, as you said, while they use an actual synth to learn how to program their own patches.

Personally i think it will be a great add in my studio , now i think about the orchestral sounds and for effects.. i like ehmm. Pretty hard to get those sounds. I dont think im able to fit a whole orchestra in my little room .

No seriously, i mean the sounds containd pretty much just a load of supersaw sounds, aleast by judging from the demo mp3, and i dont think it will be any revolutionary for the trance scene. I mean, it takes a little more than a ROMpler and a sequencer to make a good sounding trance track, im i not right?

Shure it will most sertain be dowloaded on Warez sites by many kids who wanna play trance producers, but do you seriously think that it will make any difference for us who like programming our own sounds?

However, i do think its a greate thing to use if you are at the beginning of learning the basics in music production. When you are at t stage of leanring sound proccesing and stuff.

I mean, i cant see any difference in this, than bying a v-station and then just buy a load of quality soundsets that are out on the market. Or just buy a NI bundle with Reaktor and Kontakt!

Think we are making this thing into a bigger deal than it is!? :P

Peace
C

I might be overreacting a bit, but as I as I mentioned earlier, Nexus is very genre specific (I don't see those sounds being used in a D'n'B or a House track for instance) and I guess that's the biggest issue I have with it. Maybe it's just that MP3 demo that made it seem a lot less appealing to me.

Hopefully you're right and people will use this as a learning and inspirational tool, although I have little faith in that.

We'll see how it works out I guess?

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Originally posted by DJREMIDI I might be overreacting a bit, but as I as I mentioned earlier, Nexus is very genre specific (I don't see those sounds being used in a D'n'B or a House track for instance) and I guess that's the biggest issue I have with it. Maybe it's just that MP3 demo that made it seem a lot less appealing to me. Hopefully you're right and people will use this as a learning and inspirational tool, although I have little faith in that. We'll see how it works out I guess?

if youre talking about the factory presets, i agree. But with the expansion soundsets you'll be able to churn out everything from minimal house -> classical music..

anywayz

ill get it, when i find it..

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Originally posted by TaylorR i see what u mean about people being laziness and not trying to create a sound themselves but one "might" buy it in order to look for inspiration from new sounds. Somewhat like arturia's analog factory with a crap load of sounds for you to mess around with and try new things to build the inspiration factor.....only the analog factory sounds a heck of a lot better . some people lose that inspiration when fiddling around trying to create a new sound when they just want to get straight to producing. just a guess..... another option is that someone could use the sounds from Nexus as a substitute until they create their own sounds...but i don't think people (or most people) would do that because of the laziness you were talking about. but if it sounds good then might as well stick with it.

Thats what a preset is designed for - to showcase what you could do with the synth. If you bothered to learn how to program it.

Doesn't stop lazy people from using presets as an end point in itself rather than a starting point for further experimentation. But thats just laziness and/or an aversion towards learning how to use the instrument. For whatever reason.

But really its just a fricking instrument. You can't blame a JP8000 for turning Trance into crass europop. It doesn't have feelings. It won't rob you at gunpoint when you leave work. It doesn't leave a mess around the house and start a load of drama about it.

Guns don't kill people - people kill people. The gun is just the tool of the asshole.

Ergo, instruments don't make shit music, Lazy people make shit music.

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Originally posted by Derivative You can't blame a JP8000 for turning Trance into crass europop. It doesn't have feelings. It won't rob you at gunpoint when you leave work. It doesn't leave a mess around the house and start a load of drama about it. Guns don't kill people - people kill people. The gun is just the tool of the asshole. Ergo, instruments don't make shit music, Lazy people make shit music.

you should be a writer

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Originally posted by DJREMIDI Now what do you think will this new VSTi bring to the trance scene? Some original, groundbreaking tracks, or more of the preset-based, cookie-cutter, crap made by kids all over the world who downloaded Nexus through some torrent or w@rez site? How will this affect legitimate producers who spend time actually designing their own sounds and loops and arpeggios? This VSTi will just oversaturate the market with commercial trance songs and make it that much harder for anybody to get signed. What's your take on it? To tell you the truth, I wish Nexus was never born - I don't foresee anything good resulting from the release of this new plug-in.

I tell you what I think. Good music is good music. Don't tell me that just because someone can use a good-sounding preset that it means they'll be able to release a record. If the market is over-saturated with cheese and commercial crap, who cares? It means someone is buying it. In the mean time, I think where trance used to be less focused on composition and more on the exclusive sounds that were produced by pros, it is now becoming more serious and LESS cheesy because the sounds are not enough anymore. Melodies and compositions matter more and more IMO.

-Heather

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