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Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-23-2002 14:39:

Astral Projection - Live @ The Brotherhood Beach Party,Tel Aviv

Ok,I have no clue to what's being played in this set,except that it's awesome.Any tracklisting for this set available?

Posted by d_sub on Mar-24-2002 23:05:

i've got everything that AP ever released, so once i get the set, i'll spot all songs, make a nice cue sheet and post it here. ok?

also, i have a friend who has everything that infected mushroom released, so now i'm also looking for their brotherhood beach set. he'd be able to spot the songs in it. any fellow tranceaddicts keen to help by providing the set somewhere online?

heh, nice to see some goa on tranceaddict. it's my favorite music, ever! forget PvD, tiesto and all other cheesy-music-playing DJ's, goa is the way! too bad the golden days of 604 ended about 5 years ago

Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-25-2002 13:10:

Great!But when you get those lists,post them in my "wrap it up"-post for all the Brotherhood Beach Party-sets further down.That way it'll be easier to find them all.

Posted by Magnus on Mar-26-2002 06:13:

I couldn't agree more d_sub! However one thing I would like to bring up for discussion. I have been into what I call psytrance for 2 years now. Just 2 weekends ago, I saw Kode IV here in Seattle and I have seen Infected Mushroom in San Francisco, the US capital of psytrance, where there are vinyl stores full of nothing but what is labeled as psytrance. What I wanted to bring up is what exactly is the difference, if any, between the terms psytrance and goa? The reason I ask is because you will get a different response from just about anyone you ask. I was introduced to this music as psytrance and when you acutally ask people like Kode IV or IM what it is they play, they will tell you that it is psytrance not goa adding more to the confusion. On our local message boards out here in Seattle where people review parties, I noticed that many board people responded about the Kode IV show that they were shocked it was "psytrance" and not "goa" as they had thought. As I have been told Goa is different in that it is more slowed down than psytrance. I guess it really just depends on what term you were first introduced to this genre of music? Any ideas, clarifications? Anyways, to you d_sub or for that matter any of you TA psytrance lovers out there, I want to know what your number 1 all-time favorite psytrance or goa as some may call it, track of all time... Mine is without a doubt,
MFG - Wonderland If any of you out there have never heard this track get it immediately off of AG, turn your speakers up loud, and get blown away...

Posted by E.Sv on Mar-26-2002 10:16:

What about the tracklist?

Posted by d_sub on Mar-26-2002 11:10:

quote:
What I wanted to bring up is what exactly is the difference, if any, between the terms psytrance and goa?

whoa, that's a tricky one... to clarify that, we need to get into the history of goa. most of you don't know that goa is actually a former portuguese colony on the west shore of india - it's a province with beautiful climate and coast, and the people there are mostly christian, as opposed to the dominant hindu/buddhist religion in the rest of india (the portuguese brought their religion with them and spread it). during the flower-child era (1960/70's), goa became a resort for a lot of hippies. 20 years later, it was their children who started visiting goa and following the footsteps of their parents. psychedelic drugs were always a part of the goa culture, and the atmosphere there was very tolerant. ancient shamanic and tribal rituals were ressurected and the music (a variety of styles) was blended into one. as years progressed, a steady 4/4 beat was combined with psychedelic sounds and mellodies that borderlined with classical eastern music, in this case indian, full of semitones and 1/16's. the visual aspect was also of that kind, full of variety - hindu gods, buddhist beliefs, christian tolerance, earth (gaia) being the centre of man... it all followed a trend of "west meets east" and people were getting away from their everyday worries and capitalism and were blending into one with their tribe (which is still the basis of today's electronic music parties). anyway, during mid-90's, there was a sharp decline in goa as "the" party scene mainly because of the fact that police started banning and raiding parties. what once were parties for 50-100 people now turned into giant raves with 5,000 visitors - not only was that harmful for nature (which is quite funny, since worshiping mother earth was always a part of the goa culture), but your average goa trancer is not a typical tourist - he's able to spend 5 days dancing and fly straight back home, without even spending $1 on, well, whatever the authorities thought the money should be spent on. clearly, goa trancers weren't wanted there anymore, especially since a lot of famous people (such as movie stars) were choosing goa as their vacation destination, building multi-million dollar houses on the beach and buying a lot of land around. there has also been an increase in maffia activity who also wanted their share of the cash for keeping things "safe", not to mention drug policy getting harder. it was about then that the goa scene shifted into israel, where it's still massively popular. a lot of people that came to goa were israelis, anyway - given the constant state of war they were (and still are) in, goa trance was a great way for them to relax. there was also a major initiative from the israeli government on the indian one to clamp the parties a bit since a lot of their manpower was "on vacation" and that posed a major security hazard. the media also had their share in the raid - documentaries were filmed and aired on national israeli TV that showed what "your loved sons and daughters are doing out there". all of that resulted in the fact that goa trance changed its name to psychedelic trance (also a bit due to commercial reasons). it was time to start experimenting with the music, so a lot of producers started changing their style: whereas the 'old' goa music was full of mind-elevating mellodies which suited psychedelic drugs, the expansion of dance-related drugs (MDMA, methamphetamine) lead to music that was more monotone and body-oriented, though still full (if not fuller) of various psychedelic effects; mainly the mellodies were lost with the expansion of psytrance, but this was a cross-breed that tried to appeal to both streams. the trend of minimalism continued and today we don't even have psytrance but psytekk, psychedelic techno, which is basicly your average progressive/minimal techno music with a pumping bassline and a couple of effects thrown in for good measure. some people shifted in that direction, some have not, including myself - the reason that i fell in love with goa were the mellodies and the immense energy they packed. it was not uncommon to have three or even four distinct mellodies playing at the same time in a song, so you could basicly "tune" into any one you preferred while you danced (as well as the bassline, which often played it's own melody, of the drum track, or whatever you preferred). given the set and setting, you could hear the same song 5 times on a party and feel like it's new every time the DJ played it. the original goa trance crew also got older, tired of partying, got married, had kids ... and left the scene to the new kids on the block. i don't know what the situation is like out there in the world, but here in croatia there's a constant decrease of the average party-goer age - 5 years ago you couldn't see anyone younger than 18, now we have drugged up 14-year-old kids. i *can't* enjoy a party when i see such a thing, so i basicly stopped attending them a couple of years ago, though i'll never refuse to go to a small open-air summer goa party for 50 people, 40 of which i already know.

quote:
The reason I ask is because you will get a different response from just about anyone you ask. I was introduced to this music as psytrance and when you acutally ask people like Kode IV or IM what it is they play, they will tell you that it is psytrance not goa adding more to the confusion.

because they _do_ play that and you'd insult them if you said it was goa
IM appeared a few years ago and set some new standards with their "classical mushroom" album which combined psytrance with some classical music elements. it was innovative and nice to listen to, but i don't consider most of their songs to be dance-floor stuff. later they even went overboard and had some extra stupid elements in their songs, such as babies crying or people burping ...

quote:
As I have been told Goa is different in that it is more slowed down than psytrance.

weeelllll ... yes and no. most goa songs are in the range of 138-145 BPM, but personally, i enjoy sets at 150+ BPM the most. psytrance was a bit faster by default, but psytekk is again slow - anything above 140 BPM is too much for it.

quote:
Anyways, to you d_sub or for that matter any of you TA psytrance lovers out there, I want to know what your number 1 all-time favorite psytrance or goa as some may call it, track of all time... Mine is without a doubt, MFG - Wonderland If any of you out there have never heard this track get it immediately off of AG, turn your speakers up loud, and get blown away...

ahhh, wonderland, from MFG's album "the message" (1999, IIRC)... it's goa. not full-scale, but it's goa. the album is halfway through psytrance and goa, but leans on the latter a bit more. anyway, here are some of my favorites (the ones you should *definitely* get first are marked with an exclamation mark). i'd be able to list a thousand songs, but that'd be too much ... if i had to choose a single favorite song, i couldn't. but AP - mahadeva and MWNN - teleport sharing the #1 place, that would work.

goa
---
astral projection - !kabalah, !mahadeva (the original, not the remixes!), dancing galaxy, black & white, let there be light, ...
man with no name - !teleport (the original, of course), !own the world, floor essence, sugar rush, ...
MFG - peaceful relaxation, !alien's land, !new kind of world, shape the future, ...
!power source - the whole "cosmic waves" album
!brain accident - orange acid (from the pulse 1 compilation, one of the best albums, IMHO)
!shakta - lepton head [deedrah remix]
!hallucinogen - l.s.d.
x-dream - !the second room (a-trip), the 5th dimension (feat. planet b.e.n.)
cosmosis - sanyacid
faithless - god is a DJ [astral projection remix]
miranda - !year 2000, magnetic levitation, !step to the star, ...
!pergamon - endorphin
radiotrance - boctok 5
s.u.n. project - space dwarves

psytrance
---------
pleiadians - !alcyone, asterope, zeta reticuli
prana - !boundless
bypass unit - nanosphere courier
green nuns of the revolution - ring of fire
the delta - travelling at the speed of thought
logic bomb - frequent flyers
!jupiter 8000 - jupiter 8000

!hallucinogen - hmmm, get everything ... i don't know where to put him, simon posford is a class of his own

psytekk
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hate it. can't recommend anything. try something made by ticon or necton if you want to brainwash yourself.

Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-26-2002 13:07:

Whoa,hold up!I though that Psy-trance now was the word for the whole spectrum of psychedelic trance!I guess not then...That was a very informative post,thanks!Yeah,props to Hallucinogen."LSD" is f*cking awesome,those acidlines...whooo....I'm just getting into psy-trance,so that was really what I needed.But the reason this post is here,is for the tracklist.Help appreciated!

Posted by d_sub on Mar-26-2002 14:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper
But the reason this post is here,is for the tracklist.Help appreciated!

hey, downloading 120 megs over 56k could have a bad effect on my phone bill

ah, screw it, i'll start downloading tonight

Posted by Magnus on Mar-26-2002 18:27:

Thanks d_sub for that incredibly informative post!! You really know your stuff! You have cleared up a lot of questions I had. I'll check out those tracks you suggested. In the meantime, I'll try and help out with the tracklising for this set.

Posted by d_sub on Mar-26-2002 19:59:

quote:
Originally posted by X-Multiply
Thanks d_sub for that incredibly informative post!! You really know your stuff! You have cleared up a lot of questions I had.

believe it or not, i haven't even started yet
and i wrote that text right after i woke up, so i apologize for bad grammar, spelling and sentence inconsistency

i might whip up something about the artists themselves tomorrow, that's an area that i haven't really touched.

Posted by Special_K on Mar-27-2002 07:27:

ummmm....well so does anyone know any of the tracks in the set? sort of thought thats what the thread is about. anaway i havnt given it good listen through yet but i heard Astral - Projection - Another world played @ 34:25

Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-27-2002 20:12:

I think also that they played Astral Projection - Let There Be Light around the 40 min mark.It has that "and god said:let there be light!" sample in it,so I guess that would be a fair guess.

Posted by Philby on Mar-31-2002 13:18:

Anyone have any more IDs or made a proper tracklist?

Posted by smallSHEEP on Apr-10-2002 16:08:

Need to get tracklist sorted:

I know in the middle they play:

Astral projection - Anything is possible
Astral projection - Let there be light
Astral projection - ????
Astral projection - People can fly

I think they play psychodelic burn out towards the end (Like the last song)

Posted by Sand Leaper on Apr-11-2002 08:30:

So this is a live performance,where they only play their own tracks?

Posted by smallSHEEP on Apr-13-2002 17:38:

I am assuming that most, if not all, is their own stuff

Posted by The_Zhu on Apr-18-2002 12:07:

Fantastic set! Does any tracklist available now or not?

Posted by ozy on Apr-18-2002 15:49:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=40733

I've posted what tracks I know in that thread (didn't see this one, must have fallen off the bottom at the time of posting).

This thread seems to have veered off the path of actually posting a tracklist for the set, so maybe all posts should now go to djkenusaykenny thread? (link above)

Posted by smallSHEEP on Apr-18-2002 16:18:

1) ID
2) ID
3) ID
4) ID
5) Astral Projection - Anything Is Possible
6) Astral Projection - Let There Be Light
7) ID (Good tune)
8) Astral Projection - People Can Fly
9) ID
10) Astral Projection - Psychedelic Burn Out

Just to make it easier I cut and pasted the ID from the other thread here

Posted by FinnHawk on May-17-2002 06:44:

I found the following tracklisting posted on the forums at www.psynews.org
For those of you who don't have it yet, it's currently available for download right here on this site in the LIVE SETS section.

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Artist: Astral Projection
Title: Live @ The Brotherhood Beach Party Tel Aviv 03-08-2002
Date: 03-08-2002
Bitrate: 192
Time: 10 tracks, 82:23
MB: 113
Ripper: Unknown
=========================================
1. (00:00) Lotus Of Life
2. (08:30) The Void
3. (17:29) Utter Voice
4. (24:59) Evolving Nova
5. (34:25) Anything Is Possible
6. (42:36) Let There Be Light
7. (51:10) Born On Earth
8. (57:55) People Can Fly
9. (67:20) Guided By Light
10. (74:50) Burning Up (2002 Remix)
=========================================

All tracks except for 5, 6 and 8 appear to be new AP tracks to be released sometime this year, prolly this summer. Track #7 Born On Earth is an AMAZING track that would even fit well into any Uplifting/Epic Trance set. Can't wait for that one to be released.

If you like this set and it's unlike most trance you were previously familiar with then you have discovered the world of Goa/Psy Trance. Go to the net's largest resource for psy trance info at www.psynews.org and especially check out the Goa Reviews section and the forums.

As for the difference between Goa and Psy Trance, to me it's just two names for the same thing that describes the entire range of Psychedelic Trance music. Some people will have different opinions, but I just think that Goa Trance was the original name given to the genre, but eventually it's development wasn't really based in Goa, India anymore so people wanted to disassociate the genre with Goa and started to call it Psychedelic Trance or Psy Trance for short.

Posted by d_sub on May-18-2002 13:44:

here's the cue sheet, for those who are interested.
as usual, i made it on a mp3 decoded to wav, it's frame-accurate

TITLE "live @ brotherhood beach party (tel aviv) 08.03.02."
PERFORMER "astral projection"
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "01. lotus of life"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "02. the void"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 08:43:38
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "03. utter voice"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 17:29:31
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "04. evolving nova"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 25:13:03
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "05. anything is possible"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 34:25:70
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "06. let there be light"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 42:36:00
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "07. born on earth"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 51:16:09
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "08. people can fly"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 58:06:57
TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "09. guided by light"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 67:30:07
TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "10. burning up [2002 remix]"
PERFORMER "astral projection"
INDEX 01 74:50:45

Posted by Philby on Aug-01-2002 16:10:

Thanks for the cue and tracklists!

Posted by cornelius on Aug-22-2003 18:56:

Astral Projection @ Brotherhood Beach Party.[03-Aug-02]
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*|Size- 113MB|*|Time- 082:23|*
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[000:00].01- Astral Projection - Lotus Of Life
[008:30].02- Astral Projection - The Void
[017:29].03- Astral Projection - Utter Voice
[024:59].04- Astral Projection - Evolving Nova
[034:25].05- Astral Projection - Anything Is Possible
[042:36].06- Astral Projection - Let There Be Light
[051:10].07- Astral Projection - Born On Earth
[057:55].08- Astral Projection - People Can Fly
[067:20].09- Astral Projection - Guided By Light
[074:50].10- Astral Projection - Burning Up [2002 remix]
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FILE "Astral Projection @ Brotherhood Beach Party.[03-Aug-02].mp3" MP3

TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "01- Astral Projection - Lotus Of Life"
INDEX 01 000:00:00

TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "02- Astral Projection - The Void"
INDEX 01 008:30:00

TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "03- Astral Projection - Utter Voice"
INDEX 01 017:29:00

TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "04- Astral Projection - Evolving Nova"
INDEX 01 024:59:00

TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "05- Astral Projection - Anything Is Possible"
INDEX 01 034:25:00

TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "06- Astral Projection - Let There Be Light"
INDEX 01 042:36:00

TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "07- Astral Projection - Born On Earth"
INDEX 01 051:10:00

TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "08- Astral Projection - People Can Fly"
INDEX 01 057:55:00

TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "09- Astral Projection - Guided By Light"
INDEX 01 067:20:00

TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "10- Astral Projection - Burning Up [2002 remix]"
INDEX 01 074:50:00

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for livesets,tracklists and cues Click ere

Posted by d_sub on Aug-22-2003 19:04:

quote:
Originally posted by cornelius
Astral Projection @ Brotherhood Beach Party.[03-Aug-02]

that's neat, but unfortunately, most of the track names are dead wrong. i don't have AP's new album, "amen", so i can't name the tracks correctly

Posted by Sand Leaper on Aug-22-2003 19:15:

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