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Rough Transitions

Okay, I'm able to get the beats matched perfectly for most of my mixes, BUT the transitions still sound rough. I mean you can tell exactly where the next song begins.


Even when it's all matched up and sync'ed up perfectly, no matter how I play with the EQ's, the mix is still rough.

Ok.
Several tips:
1. When starting to mix, always use lower volium for the incoming track, never play them equally right on the start, unless you are using equalizer all the way off.
2. When using the EQ, Start off with a little bass, at the same time turn the Hi frequency nobbs in opposite directions for a smooth transition.
3. After that, turn the Mid frequency nobbs again at opposite directions, let in a little more bass and equal the basses.
then in a sharp movement, raise the Hi frequency of the incoming track and kill the other ones bass.

That should do the trick
Of course I dont always do it like that, I try to be innovative and original, but thats the basic way
Good luck

Wow, nice and timely tips! Thanks!

Always a pleasure

hey so when mixing trance, the cross fader isnt really used right?

dvd - some people use it.. some people dont.. i'm one of the people that loves my cross fader and this is how i do most (keyword: most) of my transitions

after getting the next record beatmatched and cued, let it go and i have my volume on the other record relatively low.. also i have the bass almost completely off becuase i like to lead in w/ more treble and mid.. then i slide the xfader to the middle, from here i slowly turn up the volume, as i'm working the volume up, i start to raise the bass level on the incoming track while lowering it on the track thats already playing.. u can play w/ the other eq's too doing the same thing.. then as i start to lower the volume on the track thats playing, i also lower the mid to about 30% so basically i leave the treble in until the song ends or until my beats start to go out of sync (which shouldn't happen if you beatmatched perfectly) then i slide my xfader all the way over..
..this is a really basic relay of what i do, to get the full effect of what im talking about, you'd have to watch me do it.. but if you play around w/ ur mixer, im sure u'll figure it out

Make sure that the track that you are fading in doesn't have any melodies.

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Originally posted by DJ TranceFormer Make sure that the track that you are fading in doesn't have any melodies.

Umm... all the tracks I play have melodies in them

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Originally posted by Michael Russo Umm... all the tracks I play have melodies in them

No, i mean at the time when he's fading it in.
Also learn to count your songs. Meaning
good fade:
Deck A: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9...
Deck B: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9...
Bad Fade:
Deck A: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9...
Deck B: 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2...
This will make your transitions sound much better and will make mixing easier

also

i do like this
pu the volume of the incoming on half and put the cross fade in the middle and when iam going to mix in i just raice the volume ..aand not even tochng the cross fade (also i play withthe knobs)

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Originally posted by DJ TranceFormer No, i mean at the time when he's fading it in. Also learn to count your songs. Meaning good fade: Deck A: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9... Deck B: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9... Bad Fade: Deck A: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9... Deck B: 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2... This will make your transitions sound much better and will make mixing easier

I think this is a useful tip.. thanks. Meaning your incoming has to be in phase with your outgoing, not only in sync. (Anyone knows what I'm talking about; I got this quote from recess.co.uk; don't flame! )

Actually it's not really a tip but a rule that should be followed all the time.

any more nice tips

Layers

Trance tracks have very similiar musical structure to classical music. Each song has multiple layers that enter and exit a song. Usually the chorus and the breakdowns have the most number of layers.

As you're mixing in one track make sure to come in as the layer of the track you're mixing out of ends.

A <-- previous track
B <-- new track

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBB
AAAAAA BBBBBBB BBBBBBBBB

This way it flows more because you're replacing a layer with another layer.

hmm i dont really use the xfader... i just put xfader in middle and use volumes and equalizers. but to tell you the truth... u really have to just mess around with everything(volume,eq,fader..etc) to find which way feels best for you. i found that using volume control and eq gives you more precise mixing...

wow u gusy rock, glad to see this part of the forum being used actively =], i hope to get my mixer soon so i can practice..hehe .. i dont want to start a thread so can soemonet ell me what can i do to prevent my tonearm from jumping off. when i try to backcue it would jump off sometimes if i go fast

my guess...anti skate, is it set the same as the counter weight? cuz it should be!

Well I just replaced my mixer from Vestax PCV-175 to a Vestax PCV-275
And I'm just amazed.
What a lovely piece of work by Vestax, it has a feature that enables you to listen to whats going out side in your phones
meaning you can get the beats matched in your cue, press "Split Cue"
and listen to the mix, and everything will affect your phones, changes of the crossfader, the volium fader and of course the EQ which affects in normal cue as well.

This page has lots of usefull stuff.

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Originally posted by Scorchio ... meaning you can get the beats matched in your cue, press "Split Cue" and listen to the mix, and everything will affect your phones, changees of the crossfader, the volium fader and of course the EQ which affects in normal cue as well.

you shouldn't use "Split Cue" too much
and you shouldn't assume it'll always be available.
Better stick with the basics: one ear in the headphones, the other exposed to the speakers.

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Originally posted by Eugene you shouldn't use "Split Cue" too much and you shouldn't assume it'll always be available. Better stick with the basics: one ear in the headphones, the other exposed to the speakers.

I agree. Split cues are really useful, and when you're having one of those days where nothing seems to go right (like what I experienced today; sigh, almost felt like crushing my turnables coz my beatmatching was WAY-off for EVERY mix), you'll be tempted to use them. But always think- when you're gonna have to use a different mixer one day (which is highly possible), this function might not be there anymore. Over-reliance on something like split cues only hinders your improvement on the raw skills.

Re: Rough Transitions

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Originally posted by Eugene Okay, I'm able to get the beats matched perfectly for most of my mixes, BUT the transitions still sound rough. I mean you can tell exactly where the next song begins.

i think you should stop using that BPM Counter....that way u'll beat match about as good as u fade...and u can start from there

Yeah dude, that gemini bpm 150 of yours blows a big one, also u have to learn how to beatmatch without any bpm counters or any type of shit like that. Just imagine u will have to spin at a club(which will never happen if you will keep on using ur bpm counter) usually they don't have any BPM Counters there, what will you do in that situation? You will be fucked, and a "bad record" stays behind for a while, so basicly you will suck at your 1st gig and you won't have any gigs at all... Just think about beeing hones, you are only cheating yourself when u use BPM Count...
Peace

hehe, guys, I agree with you about the BPM counter, and i'm not using it anymore. The ONLY thing I'm using is the green/red/yellow lights that show if the beats match.

waht do you mean counter weight?

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