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Time to dumb the boards down a bit. I can't take the deep intellectualism of the newest popping candy or amazing lightshows that make me remember the days when drugs formed a hole in my brain.

Instead lets talk art. Specifically art that is meant to create conroversy or at least evoke strong emotional reactions: ie shock art. Kind of like that cartoon of the prophet Muhammed that almost sparked WWIII. I run accross lots of interesting artists for my job and I spoke to one yesterday that inspired me to share.

Fred George: www.fredgeorge.com /www.vulcangirls.com

JESUS AS A SUICIDE BOMBER, was created by Fred George in 2000, prioor to 9/11. George experianced a "spirtual zeitgeist and was compelled to address the ways in which religious imagery; its symbosis, tenants and dieties can be minipulated as toold of propaganda.Link / Fox TV news clip (windows media)

AK-47 Crucifix, Four Meter High Crucifix constructed from AK-47 rifles aggressively challenges the manner in which the Cross has been effectively betrayed, divorced from its original meaning. It is now once again a symbol of war. Link/ Video Link

Any other art lovers out there care to share? I'll share more later.

Andres Serrano "Piss Christ" : Photo of a crucifix in his own piss and blood.

Marcel Duchamp: "L.H.O.O.Q." 1919 Which stands for "elle chaud au cul" or "She is Hot in the Ass".

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Andres Serrano "Piss Christ" : Photo of a crucifix in his own piss and blood.

i wonder what would happen if i showed this one to my grandmother.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH i wonder what would happen if i showed this one to my grandmother.

She'd prolly like it until you told her what it was. Then you'd have to repent.

I like art as much as the next guy and I understand that sometimes art is about pushing boundries and making people re-examine the world they live in but stuff like the Piss Christ to me is cheap, sensationalist crap. There's pushing boundries for the sake of art and then there's pushing boundries for the sake of controversy and free publicity. How does a painting of Christ in piss and blood further anything other then the artist's career? It's seems unnecessarily offensive to me. It's not personally offensive to me, I'm a very fallen catholic, but certainly to others who haven't fallen as far as I have. I'm sensitive enough to other people's feelings to not make art like that were I an artist. I don't know, maybe I'm just not enlightened enough to understand art like that.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Andres Serrano "Piss Christ" : Photo of a crucifix in his own piss and blood.

For being made out of piss and blood that's a pretty good painting. I'm impressed.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* For being made out of piss and blood that's a pretty good painting. I'm impressed.

I<3Lisa

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* For being made out of piss and blood that's a pretty good painting. I'm impressed.

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Photo of a crucifix in his own piss and blood.

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Originally posted by English Rachel I<3Lisa

I <3 Rachel...b/c you're English.

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Originally posted by Tb.

I don't understand though...is it a photo of his painting?

Or he covered a crucifix in piss and there's blood around it and he took a shot?

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Time to dumb the boards down a bit. I can't take the deep intellectualism of the newest popping candy or amazing lightshows that make me remember the days when drugs formed a hole in my brain.

<3! end thread.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* For being made out of piss and blood that's a pretty good painting. I'm impressed.

lol i never knew piss could be artsy!

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Marcel Duchamp: "L.H.O.O.Q." 1919 Which stands for "elle chaud au cul" or "She is Hot in the Ass".

oh look...they gave the mona lisa a mustache...the true mark of any artist..
this isn't 'art'. in what way does this comment on anything significant or invite any intellectual consideration? i could flip through the pages of Mad magazine and find more thought provoking images.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Marcel Duchamp: "L.H.O.O.Q." 1919 Which stands for "elle chaud au cul" or "She is Hot in the Ass".

LMAO

wow, how had I never heard/seen that before...awesome.

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Originally posted by psiico111 I like art as much as the next guy and I understand that sometimes art is about pushing boundries and making people re-examine the world they live in but stuff like the Piss Christ to me is cheap, sensationalist crap. There's pushing boundries for the sake of art and then there's pushing boundries for the sake of controversy and free publicity. How does a painting of Christ in piss and blood further anything other then the artist's career?

+1

Personally I find absolutely nothing innovative in shock art. Images and symbolism are being re-portrayed in a futile attempt to overexamine the original or currently perceived intent.

As for Vulcan girls....very striking, and beautiful photographs...but that's about it.


The ak-47 cross...wow really creative...definitely gets his point accross
Personally I see it as tacky...

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Originally posted by Gypsy oh look...they gave the mona lisa a mustache...the true mark of any artist.. this isn't 'art'. in what way does this comment on anything significant or invite any intellectual consideration? i could flip through the pages of Mad magazine and find more thought provoking images.

Because this was in 1919, before MAD, before people decided they were going to do this. Consider this a reason on why MAD magazine actually does the same thing.

Remember years ago, and again in social thoughts today, the Statue of David, as it is nude, was once (and now again) considered Shock-Art.

'Most' art is some form of a statement, so it's of course debatable as to what would be considered 'shock' art.

An example of a form of 'shock' art could also be attributed to a political standpoint on a certain event in time. Guernica (one of my personal favorites) is a painting by Pablo Picasso, inspired by Picasso's horror at the Nazi German bombing of Guernica, Spain on April 26, 1937 during the Spanish Civil War. The air raid destroyed the city, killing a number of people variously estimated between 300 and 1,600, and injuring many more.

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The huge mural was produced under a commission by the Spanish Republican government to decorate the Spanish Pavilion at the Paris International Exposition (the 1937 World's Fair in Paris). Picasso said as he worked on the mural: quote: The Spanish struggle is the fight of reaction against the people, against freedom. My whole life as an artist has been nothing more than a continuous struggle against reaction and the death of art. How could anybody think for a moment that I could be in agreement with reaction and death? ... In the panel on which I am working, which I shall call Guernica, and in all my recent works of art, I clearly express my abhorrence of the military caste which has sunk Spain in an ocean of pain and death.

In its final form, Guernica is an immense black and white, eleven-and-one-half-foot tall and almost twenty-six feet wide mural painted in oil. In creating Guernica, Picasso had no interest in painting the non-representational abstraction typical of some of his contemporaries, such as Malevich. The mural presents a scene of death, violence, brutality, suffering, and helplessness without portraying their immediate causes. The choice to paint in black and white contrasts with the intensity of the scene depicted and invokes the immediacy of a newspaper photograph.

Hidden images in Guernica. This de-contrasting of the lower portion of the horse makes it easier to discern the hidden skull-in-profille in the painting. The bull's head is formed mostly by the bent front leg. The head's nose is formed by the leg's knee cap.



Guernica depicts suffering people, animals, and buildings wrenched by violence and chaos.

• The overall scene is within a room, where, at an open end on the left, a wide-eyed bull stands over a woman grieving over a dead child in her arms.
  
  
• The center is occupied by a horse falling in agony as it had just been run through by a spear or javelin. The shape of a human skull forms the horse's nose and upper teeth.
  
  
• Two "hidden" images formed by the horse appear in Guernica (illustrated to the right):
  o A human skull is overlayed on the horse's body.
  o A bull appears to gore the horse from underneath. The bull's head is formed mainly by the horse's entire front leg which has the knee on the ground. The leg's knee cap forms the head's nose. A horn appears within the horse's breast.
  
  
• Under the horse is a dead, apparently dismembered soldier, his hand on a severed arm still grasps a shattered sword from which a flower grows.
  
  
• A light bulb blazes in the shape of an eye over the suffering horse's head.
  
  
• To the upper right of the horse, a frightened female figure, who seems to be witnessing the scenes before her, appears to have floated into the room through a window. Her arm, also floating in, carries a flame-lit lamp.
  
  
• From the right, an awe-struck woman staggers towards the center below the floating female figure. She looks up blankly into the blazing light bulb.
  
  
• Daggers that suggest screaming replace the tongues of the bull, grieving woman, and horse.
  
  
• A bird, possibly a duck, stands on a shelf behind the bull in panic.
  
  
• On the far right, a figure with arms raised in terror is entrapped by fire from above and b
  
  
• A dark wall with an open door defines the right end of the mural.
  

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I don't understand though...is it a photo of his painting? Or he covered a crucifix in piss and there's blood around it and he took a shot?

its a painting...depicting jesus on a crucifix in his own piss and blood...

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH its a painting...depicting jesus on a crucifix in his own piss and blood...

omg...I'm slow...thanks Peter

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Originally posted by Chris Allen An example of a form of 'shock' art could also be attributed to a political standpoint on a certain event in time.

I don't think shocking Nazis is on par with shocking Christians or Muslims, but I get your point. What shocks is a matter of personal point of view.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH its a painting...depicting jesus on a crucifix in his own piss and blood...

Let me clear this up. He put his piss and blood in a jar and put a small crucifix inside and took a photo.

Source (Wikipedia)

His work "Blood and Piss III" was used as a Metalica Album cover:

Photo is too large to post here

this thread rocks.
thanks Burn

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Originally posted by psiico111 I like art as much as the next guy and I understand that sometimes art is about pushing boundries and making people re-examine the world they live in but stuff like the Piss Christ to me is cheap, sensationalist crap. There's pushing boundries for the sake of art and then there's pushing boundries for the sake of controversy and free publicity.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel too, well said. Art is such a subjective thing though and people react differently. However sensationalism exists in all facets of media and people eat it up. I think a true artist is in it for the love of art.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Let me clear this up. He put his piss and blood in a jar and put a small crucifix inside and took a photo. Source (Wikipedia) His work "Blood and Piss III" was used as a Metalica Album cover: Photo is too large to post here

I heard it was another bodily fluid besides piss that comes from the same place on the Metallica album cover. Gross either way.

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Originally posted by psiico111 I heard it was another bodily fluid besides piss that comes from the same place on the Metallica album cover. Gross either way.

Ya that too. I mean come on the Album is called "LOAD".

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