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I want to produce trance. What do I need to get started? I have about $2,000 to invest on it. Any suggestions or tips will be very help full.
mate before you get slaughtered for your post I suggest... search.
Loads of posts on this sort of thing
Ehum.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...2&forumid=48&s=
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...7&forumid=48&s=
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| Originally posted by knight54 mate before you get slaughtered for your post I suggest... search. Loads of posts on this sort of thing |
Bahhh forget it. Im not going to argue or talk shit with someone on the internet. But thank you Knight54 and Mr.Mystery for you help and advice.
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| Originally posted by Direct I want to produce trance. What do I need to get started? I have about $2,000 to invest on it. Any suggestions or tips will be very help full. |
You'll need a SEQUENCER, SYNTHS, CHANNEL STRIP EFFECTS, MASTERING EFFECTS (higher class than channel effects), A MIDI KEYBOARD, GOOD HEADPHONES, A FAST COMPUTER, A TOP END SOUNDCARD, A TUBE PREAMP, AND MUSICAL TALENT.
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| Originally posted by camsr You'll need a SEQUENCER, SYNTHS, CHANNEL STRIP EFFECTS, MASTERING EFFECTS (higher class than channel effects), A MIDI KEYBOARD, GOOD HEADPHONES, A FAST COMPUTER, A TOP END SOUNDCARD, A TUBE PREAMP, AND MUSICAL TALENT. |
*Reaserch Sequencer programs to see where to start with a system setup. Eg. if you want to use prologic, de de de you shouldnt get a PC computer. If you want to use Cubase it will work with both PC and Macs. Usually most Sequencer programs are the same so really do choose between a mac or a PC.
* Second, You will need VSTs, and FX proccessors so talk to your production peers, and read reviews about certian Vsts and purchase very little in order to learn what you have already. Buying a ton of gear and hardware stuff will get you no where fast. You need to know what you need/want and for what reasons for production.
*Third, YOU and only you should decide how to spend your two grand. First priority a Computer IMHO. Don't go thinking your E machine you bought 6 years ago with 100MB harddrive will work flawlessly. You need somthing with a big more power. You will be gratefull later on. I didnt do this when I started, and now I have to upgrade a bunch of stuff.
here are some things i recomend from personal experiance;
-PC (Something that will be a little more that what you think might be enough. PC or MAC)
-A Decent professional Audio Sound Card
-Sequncer program (FL, Cubase, Prologic)
-FX or Synth VSTs
Now this just to start out with. Download Some Demo Trial software before making up your mind. For someone in your position i might start out with Reason 3 or FL Because it gives you Everything in one package. Synths, FX, + mastering stuff. that way you can get a feel for everything, Understand synthesis, Eqing, Compression, Song arangment.
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| Originally posted by camsr You'll need a SEQUENCER, SYNTHS, CHANNEL STRIP EFFECTS, MASTERING EFFECTS (higher class than channel effects), A MIDI KEYBOARD, GOOD HEADPHONES, A FAST COMPUTER, A TOP END SOUNDCARD, A TUBE PREAMP, AND MUSICAL TALENT. |
I cant believe you guys are being so nice....!
I say go straight for the slaughtering!!!!!!!!
i suggest learning to use a forum properly first
get the best computer you can and get 'cubase studio 4', some sennheiser hd25 headphones, an m - audio 2496 soundcard, a cheap midi keyboard, and a native instraments vst package (with a sampler and a few synths..)
that should take you to around �2000. and the pc you get should be able to last a few upgrades and vst package should provide you with a nice variation of sound sources
All you need is a crappy 5-7 year old computer and a sequencer. Start with that. If you decide you like it, gain some experience with the program and then you'll know exactly what kinds of sounds and equipment you need. If you just go and spend money right away based on other people's subjective choices, you'll regret it in the long run.
I'll answer this nicely because I was thinking of writing a tutorial for beginners on what I would buy right now if I was starting from scratch. Naturally this changes every six months or less but here�s one for December 2006. It only applies to PC musicians; obviously Mac would be quite different. My list would look like:
� Decent DAW either one of (I would recommend buying Ableton for sketching, simple stuff and DJing and one of the other two for full productions, but that�s me)
o Ableton live 6
o Cubase 4
o Sonar 6
� Synths
o Native instruments komplete and Kore
o rgc z3ta
o refx vanguard
o novation v station (and bass station if you got $$)
� Midi keyboard (doesn't need to be at all flashy)
� Basic Plugins for EQ, compression etc, Waves are the best but are very expensive�
� Good laptop/desktop (depending on your needs)
o Intel core 2 duo is essential really need 2 GHz +
o 2 gig of ram
o Graphics card which doesn�t use system memory
o More than 2 USB ports
o Preferably fire wire ports
o External hard drive if you want to do audio (I recommend a glyph gt050Q)
If you buy all that you should be more or less set, read some tutorials and stuff, a lot of magazines have articles up and they�re about beginner level I think. That�s the basics for trance; I�m not including anything to do with audio really, if you wanted to do vocals it gets a bit more complicated because you need mic�s and interfaces and some more Plugins.
If you�re at uni or school then try and get academic discounts, you can save massive amounts of money that way. Look on the internet for each item and see if you can get any sorts of upgrades or anything. I find audiomidi.com a good place to start looking for the price you should pay. Did I miss anything?
How bout logic. If I could stretch the budget to an imac, I'd definately go for logic.
I'd say at least 6 to 8 usb slots.
Mine are almost always full, with external hd and dvd rw, usb key and usb stick, virus TI, 2 mice (cause one is wireless and isn't very good for gaming)
A PC/MAC
A Sequencer (Fruityloop/Reason)
Some Soft Synths
Speakers or headphones dont need to be top end to learn how your program works or how you tweak synths/write melodies.
Think my entire set up cost like $1200.
And my pc is used for work and gaming, etc too.
My advice, spend as little as possible. That way you won't end up wasting lots of cash if you find out it's not your thing.
Your computer is your main worry, spend most of it on that cause no matter what, even if you hate producing you still will have a pc future proof for a few years.
Ignore most of the wankers on here, they love a flame grilled n00b.
But do learn to use the search, if only for your own good.
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| Originally posted by DeZmA How bout logic. If I could stretch the budget to an imac, I'd definately go for logic. I'd say at least 6 to 8 usb slots. Mine are almost always full, with external hd and dvd rw, usb key and usb stick, virus TI, 2 mice (cause one is wireless and isn't very good for gaming) |
Obviously if your going mac, you can do logic or digital performer, but I think I did say PC only so thats what I left those two out. Everyone who keeps saying to use search probably isn't that much help either, because things have changed so much in the last few months (core 2 duo, cubase 4, sonar 6, live 6, NI kore, xiosynth) no ones written a guide for newbies which has been updated that recently that I know of.
how many more vstis could i run with 4gb instead of 2gb.. does it matter? or does it depend on how many samples i have loaded into the vsti samplers..
it depends what you use and how you use it, my mate maxes out his 2gb, when i have never even come close to using up my system resources and i only got 512mb.
Big synths use a lot, but tbh. It's not even the synth that counts it's mostly how you program it.
I personally prefer small synths like TS404, 3xOsc, DX10, Simsynth, etc.
For getting started anyways synths like pro53 will only confuse you.
Keep it simple and build on that.
Here's my tip list.
- Computer PC / Mac.
You can use laptop of desktop computer. The current laptops sold are quite good, but to get even more "bang for buck" go for desktop computer.
I'm using 2,0Ghz Core2Duo MacBook with 2Gb RAM myself. Works for me.
- Sequencer
There's loads of decent sequencers mentioned here. Test those downloadable demo versions of those sequencers before deciding what to stick with. When found the right tool for you - Stick with it.
I'm Using Ableton Live 6.0.1 myself. Great tool for me and works the way I want my sequencer to work.
- Software synths.
There are loads of good synths already mentioned here. Although I suggest you to stick with just 2-3 good synths. Learn how to use those. There are loads of producers that download all the latest synths and really don't know how to use those.
I bought Native Instruments FM8 and Spectrasonics Stylus RMX 1.5. They seem to be the right tools for me. I might get ReFX Nexus eventually, but I rather learn how to use these plugins properly before getting any new toys.
- Midicontroller.
You really don't need one, all the automations and notations to the sequencer can be done in sequencer. But If you know how to play the keyboard, get a controller.
I bought M-Audio Axiom 49 myself. It has loads of knobs, sliders and pads. I still haven't used even the half of the features it offers, but I like that it makes different using manners possible.
- Freeware.
Yes. There's loads of great FREE plugins and synths around, just try around. You can create the next hit with only freeware synths, if you know what you are doing.
- Samples.
For your drums, using samples is the right way to go. There are loads of great sample CD's around, there are freeware samplesites, and sites that you can buy high-quality samples via internet.
Vengeance samples are widely used in trance productions.
You can get a bundles with midicontroller and sequencer, Softsynths cost $100-300, and decents sample CD's are like $80. Add a computer, and you still get under $2000. 
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| o Native instruments komplete and Kore o rgc z3ta o refx vanguard o novation v station (and bass station if you got $$) |
z3ta is harder to program than a virus!
Wow, you guys are really different to me! I actually find zeta way easier than most of the other synths! Its certainly got a lot more possibility than the others, but I dont think that it makes it harder for beginners to use at all! Everything's on one page fer christ sakes, you can just use what you need! AND more important, its got millions of presets to play with, learn from and adapt. I certainly find it easier than a virus, which is impossible.
I am not a fan of vanguard at all, I think its too simple, overused and it takes up too much space in the mix. v station is better, but its still a little limited, its a very good synth tho.
The idea with mentioning zeta, vanguard and v station was to give all three common trance synths.
Komplete is good because its very flexible and gives you all of the sounds which are maybe more out of the way. The entire package is good for adding that little bit of extra interest to a track in the way of original and unique sounds. Reaktor is easy to program by the way, theres again lots of presets and you only go as deep as you are comfortable. Junatik has some great trance sounds (similar to vanguard but better imho) and the reverb, drum machines and subharmonic synth kicks absolute arse. Its basically like getting 20 synths and effects in one, you don't have to go all autechre and start creating your own studio. Fm8 is a lot easier to program than fm7, but its irrelevant anyway, because there are 16000 presets right there!
The synths I chose I chose because they each have a role to play and come with great presets to get started (very important when starting out). If nothing else, my self confidence certainly gets a boost from the fact that you think zeta is really hard to program (while I find it really easy and enjoyable)
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| Everything's on one page fer christ sakes, you can just use what you need! |
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