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Environment: It's not the People, It's the Cows!

Two interesting articles:

1. Humans aren't as bad for the environment as thought, says the UN.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../nclimate10.xml

2. Cows are more harmful to the environment that cars.

http://news.independent.co.uk/envir...icle2062484.ece


So in the end it's not Bubba in his Hummer, it's old Bessie in the pasture. Damn cows.

i did a life cycle analysis on running shoes for one of my 4th year electives this term. when i was doing my analysis as to the environmental impact of making shoes in places like china and thailand even though the leather comes from the US, gets shipped to china, then the shoes get shipped back to the US.... the process of raising the cattle had the most impact on greenhouse gas emisions

It would be interesting to see if PETA steps in if scientists warn that a reduction (slaughter) of cattle would bring any harmful emmisions down to tolerable levels. Cause I certainly wouldn't want to eat salads the rest of my life over some tree hugger nonsense done wiped out the beef industry.

I'm no tree hugger but damn it with this tree-hugging, save-the-whale, save-the forest, save-the-dolphins crap. People that hug trees should care about the homeless guy sleeping under the overpass or trainstation for once in their life, geez.

More CO2 is good for the trees anyway since they give off oxygen. But I venture to guess people forgot basic biology.

If farmers were smart; they'd find a use for cow gas...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r If farmers were smart; they'd find a use for cow gas...

next republican leader perhaps?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN next republican leader perhaps?

Anything political really

Major contributors of CO2 emissions. Cars and big fat cows... hmm... damn SUVs and fastfood. I guess us Americans fit the bill eigther way .

I offset my V8 cars emissions by trying to eat a lot of cows.
See! I am helping!

...and the circle is complete lol!

...says the man who st@rts fir3s!

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 I'm no tree hugger but damn it with this tree-hugging, save-the-whale, save-the forest, save-the-dolphins crap.

Most of those people never really made it out of university though, either that or it's waste everyones time while living up the slacker lifestyle on their industrialist father's corporate shares and trust funds. Then decide one day after putting the bong down after slumming it up in some eastern euro bohemian backpacker dump "hey, my lifes pointless lets go annoy the square people by telling them what to do!"
Rest of us are just to busy worrying how to pay of our morgage(s) and if the tax man is going to double dip us out of everything we own.

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People that hug trees should care about the homeless guy sleeping under the overpass or trainstation for once in their life, geez.

To be honest, governments should be taking up the matter of proper mental health care and fill up the holes in the social security system that lets people fall through the gaps.
The other side of the coin is that things like pandas, dolphins and furry animals are far more photogenic and 'cute' to the wider variety of clueless people looking at them where homeless people tend to not be.

This makes me feel old considering I remember when Linda McCartney banned the crew on one of Paul's concert tours from eating beef because of the environmental impact of cow farts.


MrS

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Originally posted by Lilith To be honest, governments should be taking up the matter of proper mental health care

mental health care

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Originally posted by Lilith and fill up the holes in the social security system that lets people fall through the gaps.

Commie! j/k

You get to call me names when you get your ass a job and out of uni!

Seriously though I remember reading that most of the homeless people in Australia end up there because of a lack of decent mental health care services. Basically their time at the clinic runs out and they get ditched out into the big old world, the government closed down a lot of the state ones and/or privatised it.
It's even more critical now when theres a current epidemic of meth abuse in the country that's melting peoples brains out their ears and making them psychotic.

Something tells me clicking a link by some random new member who's putting it in random posts is a bad idea.

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Originally posted by Lilith Something tells me clicking a link by some random new member who's putting it in random posts is a bad idea.

Yeah, it prompts you to download a "codec" which is actually some sort of malware/trojan.

Pretty nasty one too...

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zCodec, formally known as Adware/ZCodec or Adware/EMediacodec, affects most versions of Windows and was first detected last week, Panda said. When run, the program alters the system's DNS configuration in order to divert traffic to DNS servers of its choice, a technique sometimes used as part of a phishing scam or to rack up clicks for advertising schemes. zCodec also accesses a particular IP address to randomly select and download one of a collection of files. The files that could be downloaded include Ruins.MB, a Trojan horse that uses rootkit techniques to conceal itself, Panda said. zCodec could also download an online casino program. A second file launches every time the user starts Internet Explorer and monitors Web usage. Panda said its software can remove zCodec.

Another reason I don't use that POS OS Winblows. Open source all the way.

Can I get a "hell yeah!" St_Andrew?

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Originally posted by Lilith Pretty nasty one too... quote: zCodec, formally known as Adware/ZCodec or Adware/EMediacodec, affects most versions of Windows and was first detected last week, Panda said. When run, the program alters the system's DNS configuration in order to divert traffic to DNS servers of its choice, a technique sometimes used as part of a phishing scam or to rack up clicks for advertising schemes. zCodec also accesses a particular IP address to randomly select and download one of a collection of files. The files that could be downloaded include Ruins.MB, a Trojan horse that uses rootkit techniques to conceal itself, Panda said. zCodec could also download an online casino program. A second file launches every time the user starts Internet Explorer and monitors Web usage. Panda said its software can remove zCodec.

That's awesome! A guy that is named "Panda" actually exists!

Awesome!

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Originally posted by Yoepus That's awesome! A guy that is named "Panda" actually exists! Awesome!

LOL

honestly although cattle do produce a large portion of the GHG emmissions, its not bad at all. the reason why fossil fuels are so bad for GHG is that they add carbon to the carbon cycle. when cows give off Co2 and methane, it is all produced in their digestive tract from breaking down food (plant material) when the manure decomposes, the carbon returns to the soil, and the trees will absorb the c02 and convert it back to 02. the carbon cycle is a fully sustainable system that will lead to no net increase in ghg. now with fossil fuels you are indroducing million year old carbon deposits into the current carbon cycle, increasing the net carbon levels and offsetting the equillibrium. if all automobiles ran off of a 100% bio diesel or ethanol base, then the GHG level increases would stabilize (theoretically as long as the greenspace is maintained to remove co2 from the atmosphere)

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Can I get a "hell yeah!"

Dork




Thing with biofuels like alcohol's and biodiesel is that to bring them up to full scale production you have devote an awful lot of farmland to growing things which can be processed into them. Given most countries are prone to experiencing erratic weather like droughts or floods you'd end up with shortages as theres only so much land available for farming.
Unless of course we want to cut down more trees!
It'll need a lot of work to make it sustainable.

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Originally posted by Lilith Dork Thing with biofuels like alcohol's and biodiesel is that to bring them up to full scale production you have devote an awful lot of farmland to growing things which can be processed into them. Given most countries are prone to experiencing erratic weather like droughts or floods you'd end up with shortages as theres only so much land available for farming. Unless of course we want to cut down more trees! It'll need a lot of work to make it sustainable.

there are some high level sources of materials for ethanol and biodiesel, not as cheap to make as the corn derivatives, but rendered animal fats (grease) and some other bio wastes can be used in place of cash crop

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