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Supid Question about Beatmach

Hi Iv got one stupid question

I change my setup and now iv got reloop 5000 and img stage line djp 202, and two diffrent systems (Before that I was playing on cdj 100 and that was a huge mistake.)

I am betmaching two tune - there are playing fine for 2 minutes... but sometimes I beatmach - there are playing ok for few sec but than there is a terrible mess up after few sec. Hope U know what I mean.

Its ok , ok and its not ok after vew seconds

Where am I making a mistake ? I guess that I betmach it not very well and the bpm are diffrent ? or what ?

Re: Supid Question about Beatmach

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Originally posted by BTL Hi Iv got one stupid question I change my setup and now iv got reloop 5000 and img stage line djp 202, and two diffrent systems (Before that I was playing on cdj 100 and that was a huge mistake.) I am betmaching two tune - there are playing fine for 2 minutes... but sometimes I beatmach - there are playing ok for few sec but than there is a terrible mess up after few sec. Hope U know what I mean. Its ok , ok and its not ok after vew seconds Where am I making a mistake ? I guess that I betmach it not very well and the bpm are diffrent ? or what ?

this is common in most peoples mixes. Its very rarely you will get two tracks that wont need slight adjustment when mixing. while im mixing im always adjusting the pitch its just part of the djing.

just keep riding the pitch...if uve practiced enough, you should be able to know which 1 is going faster or slower...make your adjustments accordingly. i tend to ride the pitch on the track that im transitioning out of...it seems to me that if your a second or so late...its not that very noticeable due to the fact that its not as loud as the track im throwing in

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Originally posted by i got big pants just keep riding the pitch...if uve practiced enough, you should be able to know which 1 is going faster or slower...make your adjustments accordingly. i tend to ride the pitch on the track that im transitioning out of...it seems to me that if your a second or so late...its not that very noticeable due to the fact that its not as loud as the track im throwing in

yea never adjust the track playing that would sound utter shit. i play with the pitch of the incoming track until i drop the bass on it and cut the bass of the outgoing track then start riding the pitch on the outgoing track.

Keep that hand glued to the pitch fader/pitch bend mechanism.

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Originally posted by dj_kane yea never adjust the track playing that would sound utter shit. i play with the pitch of the incoming track until i drop the bass on it and cut the bass of the outgoing track then start riding the pitch on the outgoing track.

EXACTLY.

I also make pitch corrections BEFORE I actually hear the drift occuring (because I KNOW they drifting) - stay ahead of the drift!

...make sure you always know which way the tracks are drifting, then just keep bending in the opposite direction. of course if you bend too much, you end up having to bend the other way, which can throw you off guard.

with 0.02 cdj pitch adjustment, you can stay 1 min in front of your turntables without doing anything to correct. thats not true in vinyl, vinyl is not prefect, you will always have to readjust them.

next to that, with the resolution of TT-pitch/fader its never possible to EXACTLY beatmatch 2 tracks for as long as a track lasts. even if the resolution of your pitch-control on your TT's is for example to 1/100th accurate (which it aint, but hypothetically), youll never get 2 tracks beatmatched for as long as 2 tracks last. u can however keep em accurate enough for 2 or 3 minutes, but eventually, 1 will run out of the match ..

its a question of practice. when i started beatmatching, i thought i would be the 1st on this planet to never learn. fact is that i learned it in some 4 months (i used to plractice 1 or 2 hrs a day). this doesnt however mean that i can always find the proper pitch for an incoming track (in time). its VERY hard to control beatmatching 100% ..

I just got some CDJ1000s, it's taken me about 4 days to get to grips with beatmatching on them, very different from a pair of Techs.

BUT, once you've got the beats locked, well, everything is so predictable. Say for example you can hear the beat go out very slightly over 30 seconds. All you have to do is knock it up .02% after 15 seconds and down .02% after another.

Everything takes care of itself.

I do miss vinyl though - but I wouldn't swap back now.

Jarv

This is a video of me mixing that shows the pacing of beat matching, crossfading, etc...may help.


YouTube: Mixing Walk-Through

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I just got some CDJ1000s, it's taken me about 4 days to get to grips with beatmatching on them, very different from a pair of Techs. BUT, once you've got the beats locked, well, everything is so predictable. Say for example you can hear the beat go out very slightly over 30 seconds. All you have to do is knock it up .02% after 15 seconds and down .02% after another. Everything takes care of itself. I do miss vinyl though - but I wouldn't swap back now. Jarv

is it easier to learn beatmatching on CDJ then on a TT? or is it because u use the BPM indicators on the CDJ's? that makes it so simple even a deaf child can learn it

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Originally posted by DJ Z This is a video of me mixing that shows the pacing of beat matching, crossfading, etc...may help. YouTube: DJ Z Mixing Walk-Through

im Dutch, so what does 'flange' means?

btw, do u have a dildo in ur pants? your trousers are shaking a bit .... just kiddin, nice vid. although its not easy to see what ur doing, apart from the red letters telling what u do when. its hard to see anything.

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro im Dutch, so what does 'flange' means?

Flange is an effect, it kinda warps the track... its one of my favorites, esp during a break down.

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Originally posted by dj_kane yea never adjust the track playing that would sound utter shit. i play with the pitch of the incoming track until i drop the bass on it and cut the bass of the outgoing track then start riding the pitch on the outgoing track.

+1

but yea, for the original question: u can't expect to get the pitch 100% accurate everytime, so as you're going through the mix, you will have to adjust the pitch to keep everything in line. The amount you need to adjust depends on how well you can beatmatch... which takes practice.

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Originally posted by m2j Flange is an effect, it kinda warps the track... its one of my favorites, esp during a break down.

do you use an FX-mixer for that, or is it build-in in your mixer?

and what mixers do have flangers? where can you recognize them at?

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro is it easier to learn beatmatching on CDJ then on a TT? or is it because u use the BPM indicators on the CDJ's? that makes it so simple even a deaf child can learn it

yes it is easier to beatmatch with cd but the beat counters are nearly always wrong dont look at them

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro is it easier to learn beatmatching on CDJ then on a TT? or is it because u use the BPM indicators on the CDJ's? that makes it so simple even a deaf child can learn it

ahhh if only BPM indicators could solve our problems...but no, BPM indicators do not help you beat match. they only get you close...even then BPM indicators are subject to error...I never use the BPM - you must use your ears.

It isn't easier to beatmatch on CDJs they just don't have wow and flutter which makes them better.

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro do you use an FX-mixer for that, or is it build-in in your mixer? and what mixers do have flangers? where can you recognize them at?

the CD decks i use have effects in them....and my mixer has effects. sometimes the Flanger Effect is called Phaser or Laser or Zoom - many names...those are similar sounds. sometimes i have the effects on the CDs going and effects on the mixer at the same time.

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Originally posted by DJ Z ahhh if only BPM indicators could solve our problems...but no, BPM indicators do not help you beat match. they only get you close...even then BPM indicators are subject to error...I never use the BPM - you must use your ears.

i do that all the time too. ive put a sticker over my BPM-counters just to not watch at them, and trust at them. it improves your beatmatching very good. though theyre easy for quick 'n rude pitching, not the fine pitching ...

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro do you use an FX-mixer for that, or is it build-in in your mixer? and what mixers do have flangers? where can you recognize them at?

Usually Flange is built into the mixers... a lot of mixers have 'em, you'll have to shop around. But the one I personally prefer is the Pioneer DJM-600, which is the mixer most clubs around here have.

but they can be found on some CDJs too... like the Stanton C.314 (www.stantondj.com) and Denon DN-S1000 (www.denondj.com). Go to their sites and check out the demo videos to check it out.

btw, not only are beat counters usually wrong. but also, not all CDJs and Mixers have them. So if you grow dependant on them, then go to play out on a setup with out counters, you're screwed.

Using your ear is key. Man over machine baby!

Ok, so not to highjack this thread, but I have a question about pitch riding with technics turntables. I can beatmatch pretty fair, but just like everyone else they start to drift. I am getting better at knowing in which direction they drift although it is sometimes tough.

My question is how much do you move the pitch slider to readjust them. I've tried moving it up or down by a millimeter or two. I've tried moving it 0.5% or 1% quickly with a quick return to original position, but I never seem to be able to re-align them well. I'm sure it's easier with the bass dropped out of the outgoing track, but sometimes they drift before I'm ready to cut the bass, or it's a rolling bassline.

I'm sure that part of my problem is I origianlly beatmatch with hands on the records, so I'm used to adjusting speeds this way. I can't do this during the live mix without obvious effects.

Any methods you guys recommend?

well I keep my hand on the record (label), and its better I just push on the record a little and its play better + keep my hand on the pitch

To speed up, I press the centre of the record and turn clockwise using the forefinger. To slow down, I gently press against the bumpy grooves on the turntables while it's spinning, but not touch the vinyl.
Adjust the pitchlock, then using the finger to adjust speed, repeat as necessary.

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