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producer vs dj

I dont know if this has been brought up before, i would imagine it has been discussed at one point anyway...But i'll bring it to light again...

It seems most people confuse the dj with the producer because most producers are dj's and a lot of dj's are producers. hrmmm. after reading this sentance i realize how easy it is to confuse the two of them. maybe i'm just making things worse for some of you more feeble minded people out there.

alright... lets get it settled then.

as you should know, producers make the music with computers and electronic equipment in a studio and release this music digitally and on records. dj's play those songs made by producers and mix it together with other songs in real time.

this should be nothing new to most of you...

but what bugs me is when you see these big name producers who are charted on dj lists not because of their skill as a dj, but because of the tracks they produce...Its not a top dj list anymore, its a popularity contest now - which is probably due to the lack of education about what goes on behind the decks and in a studio.

i think tranceaddict needs to recognize the difference between dj and producer and make two seperate charts. one for dj, the other for producer.



or am i just taking crazy pills here?

Anyone who has issues making the distinction between a DJ and a producer is mentally handicapped and should be disallowed from participating in such a voting process.

Re: producer vs dj

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Originally posted by hank_panky I dont know if this has been brought up before

Hundreds of times. It doesn't help.

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Originally posted by UWM Anyone who has issues making the distinction between a DJ and a producer is mentally handicapped and should be disallowed from participating in such a voting process.

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I've had people come up to me at gigs when I'm playing records ask me if I'm making the music with the turntables. Even for someone having little knowledge of the subject, it should be a simple matter of observation...

My friends tell people I'm a DJ because I produce.

Shit happens.

people should stop focusing on dj'ing and start producing better tracks so the tracklist will be improved. There's no point with dj skills and a poor tracklist.

The fact is that the general public are fucking idiots when it comes to anything remotely specialist, and unfortunately enough it's the general public who usually comprise majority votes in polls.

At one of my local clubs the onlookers would shout at the DJ: "Make that sound again! Make that sound again!"

People are fucking idiots.

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Originally posted by Soeder people should stop focusing on dj'ing and start producing better tracks so the tracklist will be improved. There's no point with dj skills and a poor tracklist.

Am3n

It all comes down to the average person isn't very intelligent. As evidenced by reading through TA.

I dont think its only TA who needs to recognize these differences, more like the entire world.

It doesn't help matters when the "DJ" moniker is used for many producers' song credits.

producers are better

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Originally posted by Soeder people should stop focusing on dj'ing and start producing better tracks so the tracklist will be improved. There's no point with dj skills and a poor tracklist.

i definitely dont think people should stop focusing on dj'ing. i would rather see a dj that is known for their mixing ability than their production ability. anyone can show up to a party and play new tunes that nobody has heard before, regardless if they made the music themselves or not. But when a good dj can play the music well and get everyone dancing, I think thats what its all about.

Then again, there are some amazing producers who are amazing dj's...like ferry corsten. wow. And there are amazing dj's who are terrible producers, like AVB. and crappy dj's who make good tunes like Benny Benassi (this guy couldn't mix a glass of iced tea). Which is probably the reason i have to bring up a thread like this. the guy is a world class producer, but sucks on the decks (or maybe he just had a really bad night, but oh man) I just think people like this should let the dj's buy and play his music, because he certainly cant do it himself.

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Originally posted by hank_panky i definitely dont think people should stop focusing on dj'ing. i would rather see a dj that is known for their mixing ability than their production ability. anyone can show up to a party and play new tunes that nobody has heard before, regardless if they made the music themselves or not. But when a good dj can play the music well and get everyone dancing, I think thats what its all about. Then again, there are some amazing producers who are amazing dj's...like ferry corsten. wow. And there are amazing dj's who are terrible producers, like AVB. and crappy dj's who make good tunes like Benny Benassi (this guy couldn't mix a glass of iced tea). Which is probably the reason i have to bring up a thread like this. the guy is a world class producer, but sucks on the decks (or maybe he just had a really bad night, but oh man) I just think people like this should let the dj's buy and play his music, because he certainly cant do it himself.

mate it take alot more skill to produce a quality tune that a dj can use to get people dancing than it does to use other peoples tunes to get a club going

Yeah, I've had to explain to many an individual that most of the songs on techno CD's are NOT made by the DJ on the album. Seriously, there's gotta be thousands of idiots out there who think Tiesto personally composed every song on his ISOS and Nyana, and I think this is one of the reasons why many popular DJ's get more credit than they deserve.

I woulnd't have an idea what producers are listed that are not dj's, could you give some examples?

no no. there arent any listed that aren't dj's, there are just dj's listed because of their production skill who arent very skilled dj's.

mate it take alot more skill to produce a quality tune that a dj can use to get people dancing than it does to use other peoples tunes to get a club going

this isnt my point here. a writer can make an excellent book and not be able to act it out in a movie. the dj and producer are skilled in different areas. more skill, less skill... does the carpenter have more skill who can build the house, or is it the architect who designed it? you are comparing two different things. were you one of the people who voted for sander van doorn as one of the top dj's around here?

yes they are different things but those are stupid examples. a builder just builds exactly what an architect designs.......a dj plays tunes that other people made and they arent following any "designs" or watever the fuck your metaphor meant, which in the end anybody can do.

ofcourse not everybody can play as good a track selection or mix live aswell as eddie halliwell or whoever but they can still claim to be a dj and most people could still do a respectable job for the right crowd. to produce a great track takes so much more skill, they are working from scratch and creating a sound, not just playing it........

my shit metaphor is that a builder (producer) would make a house (track) but the real estate agent (dj) might have to sell it (play it at a club), the builder (or builders) put so much more work into it and would have required alot of training and hard work, compared to the builder the real estate agent has done hardly nothing.

in the end dj's are similiar to this, they are just getting credit for other people's hard work by playing they're great (or shit) tracks that they put all their effort into creating

i remember there was a discussion on the dj mag poll one year here on ta. it was about who you voted for/will vote for. one guy said he's definitely gonna vote for leama & moor because they've rocked so much. some other dude pointed out that they don't even dj together. the guy voting for them said it doesn't matter, because to him they're the best djs because they produced such great tracks.


my first reaction was:

then just:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles At one of my local clubs the onlookers would shout at the DJ: "Make that sound again! Make that sound again!"

i dont know one famous dj that hasnt at least done 1 remix. Personally i think at at least some point in time throughout a djs career,that they should pursue producing.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit i dont know one famous dj that hasnt at least done 1 remix. Personally i think at at least some point in time throughout a djs career,that they should pursue producing.

If anything, I think it should be the other way around. A producer should eventually think about getting out there to promote his own productions and not let other DJs get the recognition for them.

stop this rubbish

nothing's gonna change. i hate the word crowd, it makes me think at "cows"

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Originally posted by skip i remember there was a discussion on the dj mag poll one year here on ta. it was about who you voted for/will vote for. one guy said he's definitely gonna vote for leama & moor because they've rocked so much. some other dude pointed out that they don't even dj together. the guy voting for them said it doesn't matter, because to him they're the best djs because they produced such great tracks. my first reaction was: then just:

I think it's great that people start crediting the producers instead of dj's. alot of dj's earns alot for lousy work!
while producing a great track doesn't nessesearly make much profit at all.
If there was more money and honor in producing i think there would be much more gifted musicians producing trance (or it would be more seriousity in producing), and the scene would be on a taken to a higher level.
That's my thoughts anyway

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