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need a good laugh? ignorant quote on DJing

got into an argument with some douche on another board...

"They (DJs) have no "real" sense of music, otherwise they'd just let the records play through and not try to mix them with other records. Also, creating music from computerized sounds is crap, it's basically letting your computer be an instrument for you cause you're lazy."

Let me guess... this guy is a guitarist?
What sh*ts me is that through listening and producing electronic music I have to come to appreciate good music no matter the genre.

this guy later said that it's not even music, it's a series of bleeps and clicks

So what? Who cares about his opinion

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Originally posted by punjabi this guy later said that it's not even music, it's a series of bleeps and clicks

Were you talking about minimal by any chance?

Yeah. I have had little friendly arguments with people on a couple occasions about the same thing. They said that there was nothing to it and that anyone could do it. It use to upset me, now I just laugh. I just tell them, "Look, give it a try if its so easy. You can even come to my spot and try it out on my equipment". Its really not even worth trying to explain it to these kinds of people anyway. I myself know what kinds of hell I have gone thru to get to the point I am at now, and trust me, I am not as far along as I would like to be. I have broken equipment to learn this, smashed mixers, sold my stuff at one time because I was so frusterated with it, had girls leave me cause I was not spending enough time with them, been broke because of it, all the sleepless hours, almost lost jobs, the list is endless. I have realized that there are alot of closeminded people out in the world. People that think they are always right. You could spend the rest of your life fighting with people like this. Its best to just let them think what they want. Plus, whats the reason your doing this? Bet its not to prove anything to anyone. Cause if it is, it will not last long anyway.

Mike

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Were you talking about minimal by any chance?

i knew he was gonna say that...

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Originally posted by punjabi this guy later said that it's not even music, it's a series of bleeps and clicks

Was he listening to Trentemoller at the time?

(Not a dig, I'm a big fan - as is Beatport apparently...)

I remember about 15 years ago, when I was a massive Van Halen and Bon Jovi fan (ducks from all the abuse I'm gonna receive for that) - and the Acid scene had gone a lot more commercial and was getting to No.1 - a lot more radio play yadda yadda - I said pretty much the same thing - (I'm not proud of it).

But, looking back - the reason I said that was a) I wasn't listening to the right music - just the chart crap b) I had no idea WHAT I was listening to - and c) I felt 'musically threatened' as it seemed to be taking over.

Ignorance is an incredible thing - it can make a wanker out of a normally completely sane man. I've tried to be as open minded about music as I can since realising the error of my ways - I'll give it a chance - and then decide.

That said, I frikkin hate R+B...

R

I wouldn't fret about it too much.
In the immortal words of Sting... "It takes a man to see ignorance and smile".

This guy will probably have an epiphany at some point down the line and then he will be the first person to discover trance, in his own mind at least.

People like that are generally bad for the world whatever view they are defending be it music or politics.

Just take a trip to any room on this forum and you find carbon copies for all sorts of whacky stuff. It's just human nature, don't let it bother you or it will consume you.

Cheers
Nem

I find these situation very similar to the DJ Technology debate.

In Music production, people said electornic music i shit, because you are not playing an instrument by yourself, the computer is doing all the job.

In Djing', some people say you are not a DJ, if you use CDJ's or Ableton, because the software is mixing for you.


I think EDM & Technology, let the creativity of a mind to be real, without the need of a physical skill.

Technology it's just a Tool, in the end what will make a difference it's a creative mind.

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Originally posted by Inertia i knew he was gonna say that...

+1

I love talking to idiots. It makes me feel so much better about myself.

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Originally posted by sEpH So what? Who cares about his opinion

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Originally posted by Michael May Yeah. I have had little friendly arguments with people on a couple occasions about the same thing. They said that there was nothing to it and that anyone could do it. It use to upset me, now I just laugh. I just tell them, "Look, give it a try if its so easy. You can even come to my spot and try it out on my equipment". Mike

a friend was at my house saying that and i was like fine and went into my room opened reason and cubase pluged in my MIDI controller and said to him i will be back in half hr make a track if its so easy. I came back 5 mins later and he had already given up lol

Well he is kinda right, anybody can get onto a computer with a program like Reason and make music, but making it actually sound good, thats the challenge.

Also as for DJing, I can see how he can think that anyone can get on and do it, I've had friends come over and try to mix, of course it sounded like a retarded monkey on the drums, but he thought he was doing really well, so I can see how he for one would think that DJing is easy.

But really, who gives a shit, everyone has different tastes and different opinions on what music is, just as long you you love it, fuck the rest of them.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 I wouldn't fret about it too much. In the immortal words of Sting... "It takes a man to see ignorance and smile". This guy will probably have an epiphany at some point down the line and then he will be the first person to discover trance, in his own mind at least. People like that are generally bad for the world whatever view they are defending be it music or politics. ... Cheers Nem

Great quote, and the rest is true..

Some may say ignorance is bliss. But ignorance is just an excuse to be an ass and not see the world from anothers point of view.

Its pointless arguing with people like that as you probably wont change their opinion. As far as Trentemoller goes, I really am annoyed by him now. Overrated IMO.

"Well he is kinda right, anybody can get onto a computer with a program like Reason and make music, but making it actually sound good, thats the challenge."

As for that Danny, I really believe that applies to all music not just necessarily electronic.

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Originally posted by jupiterone As for that Danny, I really believe that applies to all music not just necessarily electronic.

Never said it only applied with electronica.

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Originally posted by DannyO Never said it only applied with electronica.

Just making sure bud

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Originally posted by Eric Siefer Great quote, and the rest is true.. Some may say ignorance is bliss. But ignorance is just an excuse to be an ass and not see the world from anothers point of view.

Yep, must hang onto my temper and quote that instead next time someone slates the music......

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Originally posted by punjabi Also, creating music from computerized sounds is crap, it's basically letting your computer be an instrument for you cause you're lazy."

People like this guy(most likely a fan of guitar music) need to be put in their place. I posted this on another forum after some rocker fool tried talking smack on electronic dance music.




Here's my analogy for rock music...

Lets imagine there is a certain type of techno that, in every single song only and always uses this one particular synth sound. Now, sometimes there are some minor effects added to this one synth sound like distortion or delay, but it's always still the same basic sound. Also, there's always the same bass sound, the same kick, snare, and hi hat used in every song. You would think that would get old real fast right? Lets also imagine that this genre of techno that always uses the same sounds in every song has been produced over and over again for over 50 years, and there was even a hall of fame for this type of techno! That would be pretty ridiculous right?

Seriously, I don't understand all the hype over the last four decades of this thing called rock n roll and people's fascination with the sound that a guitar makes. It's actually pretty stupid if you stop and think about it.

The sky is the limit for creativity when creating electronic music. On the other hand there is only so much you can do with an electric guitar, bass guitar, and a set of acoustic drums.

Face it, guitar based music is becoming a thing of the past and electronic music is the future!

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Originally posted by Stealth People like this guy(most likely a fan of guitar music) need to be put in their place. I posted this on another forum after some rocker fool tried talking smack on electronic dance music. Here's my analogy for rock music... Lets imagine there is a certain type of techno that, in every single song only and always uses this one particular synth sound. Now, sometimes there are some minor effects added to this one synth sound like distortion or delay, but it's always still the same basic sound. Also, there's always the same bass sound, the same kick, snare, and hi hat used in every song. You would think that would get old real fast right? Lets also imagine that this genre of techno that always uses the same sounds in every song has been produced over and over again for over 50 years, and there was even a hall of fame for this type of techno! That would be pretty ridiculous right? Seriously, I don't understand all the hype over the last four decades of this thing called rock n roll and people's fascination with the sound that a guitar makes. It's actually pretty stupid if you stop and think about it. The sky is the limit for creativity when creating electronic music. On the other hand there is only so much you can do with an electric guitar, bass guitar, and a set of acoustic drums. Face it, guitar based music is becoming a thing of the past and electronic music is the future!

lol what was his reply

I believe that in most cases it is just that they have never heard any decent trance.
The problem is commercial radio and tv feeds them crap that they label trance when its crap like groove coverage or cascada or dj dean.
I like just getting James Holden's Nothing out and sticking it in there face and watching their reactions.

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Originally posted by T-Soma I believe that in most cases it is just that they have never heard any decent trance. The problem is commercial radio and tv feeds them crap that they label trance when its crap like groove coverage or cascada or dj dean. I like just getting James Holden's Nothing out and sticking it in there face and watching their reactions.

The same is true for rock though.

Although to be fair, I have spent alot of time digging, and with the exception of Pink Floyd, all rock sounds bland and unoriginal to me. I seriousely can't stand it for more than a few minutes at a time. I guess it's just that knowing so much EDM and having seen so much variety in music as a consequence, I've develloped some high standards for artistic quality.

We don't need to bag on rock music here. I think we're all a little more open minded than to believe that there aren't any excellent rock bands out there because there definitely are.

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