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will you buy Breaktweaker?

I've been reading about this program BT is coming out with in 07 and it sounds interesting (even if it is exclusive to logic), but before I make any decisions I'd like to hear your opinion on it. yeah, you.

thoughts?

no i wont

because i don't even know what it is <3

its the production software BT is making to help people make good stutter edits cuz hes sick of everyone doing a poor job of ripping off his sound. cmon, get the memo.

i don't think im gonna buy this one. But im sure it is gonna be one quality plugin .

Great, soon every second tune will be filled with poorly executed stutters. I'll rather still do it manually (and very, very rarely).

Since I use a lot of stutter/glitch edits in my current tracks, I'm all for tools that can make the production process more efficient for me. There's no reason to say no to something that would make my life easier just to be... hardcore.

Nevertheless, I'm somewhat skeptical about what it's actually going to do, and if it turns out to be just a glorified Glitch/Supatrigga/Buffer Override, then I'm not interested. All those plugins, while good and useful in their own right, simply can't be used wholesale to get a good effect. As I've said several times on this forum before, the hard part about stutters isn't actually knowing how to do the effect, it's finding the right source material and getting it timed and smoothed properly.

Yet another plugin that focuses on solving the easy part (repeating some sample) while ignoring the hard part (picking the sample to repeat, deciding how to repeat it, intermixing it with other samples, and doing the necessary pre/postprocessing) does not help me in any way. I'd be very impressed and excited if this can actually take care of even a small fraction of the "hard part", but I'm not expecting much - BT is a genius producer but he's not a genius programmer.

I have a stutter plugin that no one has...its called "shitty computer vst" I use my old pIII and load up SX3 play my tune where I want it to stutter...then "shitty computer vst" starts to stutter. Its amazing. also another good one that I use is "shitty harddrive vst" and "shitty soundcard vst" bundle then all together and you get "One Big Shitty Stutter VST"

LOL.

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Originally posted by DigiNut BT is a genius producer but he's not a genius programmer.

I think BT's involvement here is more producer, director and beta tester, not programmer. From what I can tell, he's got other people doing the programming, so his main involvement will be making sure it makes the stutters he's looking for and makes them easier to produce.

Personally, I'll probably just get the demo and wish I had the money to purchase the real thing. I really look forward to the release of the technology, though.

I will get the cracked version if it will be good.

At least it will only be available on logic. Most tune by numbers producers aren't using logic.

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I will get the cracked version if it will be good.

bad news chief. BT is only releasing it on logic because people cant pirate mac software.

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Originally posted by phyrrus people cant pirate mac software.

Anyway no because stuttering is tacky.

am I wrong? I'm just quoting what he said in an interview

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Originally posted by phyrrus bad news chief. BT is only releasing it on logic because people cant pirate mac software.

sure they can

can it also make you tunes really happy and cheesy......and maybe even gay sounding?

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Originally posted by Emperor can it also make you tunes really happy and cheesy......and maybe even gay sounding?

I actually predict that this release will make the stutter edit more accessible to more producers, thus making it more widely used. After a while, people will get tired of glitch, and the producers will be forced to find either new things to do with it, or find something different to focus on.

LOL @ "people can't pirate Mac software".

Jex: I realize that BT isn't actually doing the coding, although I can see why someone might have inferred that from my post. The point is that most good software is designed by, er, software designers and programmers (with occasionally some help on the UI side). BT has made himself the software "architect" so to speak, but he's never had any experience as one.

It remains to be seen if he truly understands and can apply the concept of accessibility to normal users, rather than having it custom-built and configured for his personal use, thus rendering it essentially useless to you or I. The fact that he says he *only* wants an AU already speaks volumes as to how he may have been letting his personal whims get in the way of good design.

Maybe it'll be a great product, I don't know. I'm just applying the Peter Principle to music here: EDM fans think they can DJ, DJs think they can produce, producers think they can write plugins/programs... everybody keeps pushing the envelope but eventually has to hit a limit.

well my mistake then. I guess I underestimated how badly people dont want to pay for things.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It remains to be seen if he truly understands and can apply the concept of accessibility to normal users, rather than having it custom-built and configured for his personal use, thus rendering it essentially useless to you or I. The fact that he says he *only* wants an AU already speaks volumes as to how he may have been letting his personal whims get in the way of good design.

Fair enough. I guess I have faith in his ability. The TBU interview made the whole process look fairly simple. If it's just AU, though, I won't be able to do much about it, I suppose.

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Originally posted by DigiNut EDM fans think they can DJ, DJs think they can produce, producers think they can write plugins/programs... everybody keeps pushing the envelope but eventually has to hit a limit.

Why?

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Why?

Are you asking "why" to the former part of that, or the latter?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Are you asking "why" to the former part of that, or the latter?

It as a whole.

I remember BT saying that a track of TBU took some 200 pages of code to write in a program called Cmusic (not too sure on the name) so maybe he isnt too bad at coding and with all his experience he prolly knows exactly what is and isnt needed in a plugin.

But I am unsure, does anyone know how difficult it was to code his tune, I mean was it a case of literally writing code for sounds, or just coding instructions or what?

He might have meant CSound.

CSound is a programming language built specifically for music. Actually writing a VST or AU is pretty far away from what you do in CSound, I think.

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