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Is this possible today??

Hiroshima Atomic Bomb CGI Re-enactment


This is stunning, sad "Tens of thousands of people vanished in a fraction of a second" wow, that is fucked up. But was it needed? And also, will this happen again?? and will the West be responsible?

Here are some photographs of four ginkgo trees that were near the epicentre of the atomic bomb that exploded over hiroshima.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kwanten/hiroshima.htm

If you aren't familiar with the story, it's a great one.

While almost every other living organism was vaporized, the ginkgos were able to regenerate. We threw an atomic bomb on them, and they said, "FUCK OFF, I WILL SURVIVE."

Some fun facts about the ginkgo...

- It's survived since the Jurassic period almost completely unchanged from its original evolutionary precursor.

- A single tree can survive upwards of 3000 years.

- Certain terpenids in the ginkgo, when consumed by humans, enhances blood flow to the brain, causing cognitive sharpness and memory efficiency. This is no doubt an attribute of the "spirit" of the flora's own longevity and wisdom.

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Originally posted by LazFX This is stunning, sad "Tens of thousands of people vanished in a fraction of a second" wow, that is fucked up. But was it needed? And also, will this happen again?? and will the West be responsible?

at the risk of sounding flippant about it, would you have rather had, say, 1,000,000 dead from an allied invasion of the Japanese mainland. or a few hundred thousand starved to death with a blockade?

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Originally posted by Q5echo at the risk of sounding flippant about it, would you have rather had, say, 1,000,000 dead from an allied invasion of the Japanese mainland. or a few hundred thousand starved to death with a blockade?

You see, I can see that side as well, To invade Japan would of cost 1000s if not 10s of thousands of lives on both sides. Sad really...

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Originally posted by LazFX You see, I can see that side as well, To invade Japan would of cost 1000s if not 10s of thousands of lives on both sides. Sad really...

in 1940 Japan's mainland pop. was 74 million. i think it's safe to say casualties would have been pretty severe either way.

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Originally posted by LazFX You see, I can see that side as well, To invade Japan would of cost 1000s if not 10s of thousands of lives on both sides. Sad really...

It's more like hundreds of thousands. Japan would
have been devastated and wouldn't have recovered
to the level it's at now. Great economy and very
into high-tech things. So it was the best of two
evils, tons of casualties and an entirely ruined
country or lose two cities and in less than 50 years
be a big player in the world economy.

Within 10-15years, someones going to chuck one again as the first ones used in anger will have faded from living memory of the survivors and the people who used it. That and theres more countries now who have them, the russians missing some of them and tensions are rising to the point in th international community where people are liable to use one again.
Who? Anyone's guess really, US and a government funded terrorist organisations I think probably topping the choice as the US is or is considering making smaller ones capable of 'bunker busting' and theres plenty of dislike for the US for another country to surreptisiously palm one off to terrorists rather than directly use it themselves.

The War Game and When the Wind blows are two films people should watch at some point to have some idea of full scale nuclear war. I seriously doubt though that full scale nuke warfare like the US and USSR where verging on a couple of times is going to happen.

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Originally posted by Q5echo at the risk of sounding flippant about it, would you have rather had, say, 1,000,000 dead from an allied invasion of the Japanese mainland. or a few hundred thousand starved to death with a blockade?

Not flippant at all Q5echo.
I remember watching a documentary on this, and this point you bring up was the exact reason they decided to do it.

I know this subject has been covered here before; its safe to say that many more lives would have been lost had they decided the invasion route not just because of the geography aspect, but the whole Japanese culture of honor and duty to the Emperor would have been hard to break on top of that.

Who the hell cares. Nearly 3 times as many have been killed in Darfur alone. I find it hard to contain my cynicism.

I seem to recall hearing that the US air-dropped leaflets over Hiroshima/Nagasaki warning people that the city would be destroyed, and to get the fuck out. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I'm sure it's just on Wiki or something, but meh.

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Originally posted by nrjizer I seem to recall hearing that the US air-dropped leaflets over Hiroshima/Nagasaki warning people that the city would be destroyed, and to get the fuck out. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I'm sure it's just on Wiki or something, but meh.

I'm not sure but I would say probably not. That would only
warn their defenses that there was a bomber inbound. I think
the lone nuclear bomber went in on a secret mission and snuck
up on them.

Dropping leaflets means more aircraft and the Japs would improve
their anti-air defenses to counter it and send fighters too.

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Originally posted by LazFX This is stunning, sad "Tens of thousands of people vanished in a fraction of a second" wow, that is fucked up. But was it needed? And also, will this happen again?? and will the West be responsible?

They probably could have proved their point by other means. But levelling two cities to the ground is probably easier than sending the jap high command a message saying "on a certain date look closely at some location" detonate the bomb there, then send another message saying "We have plenty more of those, surrender now or the next time we wont be aiming for a mountain"


Cant say if it would have worked or not but its an idea.

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Originally posted by Moongoose They probably could have proved their point by other means. But levelling two cities to the ground is probably easier than sending the jap high command a message saying "on a certain date look closely at some location" detonate the bomb there, then send another message saying "We have plenty more of those, surrender now or the next time we wont be aiming for a mountain" Cant say if it would have worked or not but its an idea.

But now, I fear that will work on the US if more attacks happen on our soil. The Way Spain Backed the Fuck out really quick.....

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The Next Attack, more than likely these guys will start doing that exact quote, .......then send another message saying "We have plenty more of those, surrender now or the next time we wont kill the infidle's at that theater, WE WILL TAKE OUT A FEW ELEMENTRY SCHOOLS" or some fucked up shit.... It will happen, this shit is going to come here, then we will find out what this new so called HOLY FOCKING WAR that retards are playing. Why the FUCK can not the Iraqs, GET IT THROUGH THIER HEADS that They Could and Would become the Biggest and Baddest Country in the world, if JUST THESE IDIOTS COULD JUST SAY you know what?? why the hell are we doing this?? whats the big difference any ways?? Shia? Sunni? a different look on who the hell should be in charge cause some one's great,great,great,great,great,grand great,great,great,great,great,great,great, grand dad's chilled out with mohomad at a bar or something?? Please someone tell me that these people have all of this hate for different traslation or interpration of the Koran? Cause if its any of those two, then the fucking UN Needs to step in AND CALM THIS SHIT DOWN. Cause that shit is stupid. THEY LIVED UNDER A DICTATOR for the gods sake? Hit this shit hard no, not later.....the US should pay for it, but withdraw thier troops, and bring themm back home NOW. We need to before we start hearing shit like this: Well, the Musslim High Facist formaly known as the European Union Military Force's army doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense. An analysis of the plans provided by ;Laz FX with His Badd Ass, God Like Features, who makes the ladies pu$$y Woot Wooot ;D has demonstrated a weakness in the battle station. But the approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use proton torpedoes..................

Seriously man, in the words of Rodney King!

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Originally posted by Moongoose They probably could have proved their point by other means. But levelling two cities to the ground is probably easier than sending the jap high command a message saying "on a certain date look closely at some location" detonate the bomb there, then send another message saying "We have plenty more of those, surrender now or the next time we wont be aiming for a mountain" Cant say if it would have worked or not but its an idea.

They did say they wanted to surrender, just with their terms
which we found unacceptable. We wanted an unconditiional
surrender to allied forces. Even after one bomb they didn't
agree. So telling them to 'view someplace', like what a
desert in the US or the ocean? How would they get observers
there? Just the logistics is hard with the country you're
at war with. Anyway a nuked city still didn't turn them around
so watching an explosion somewhere wouldn't have done anything
either.

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC I'm not sure but I would say probably not. That would only warn their defenses that there was a bomber inbound. I think the lone nuclear bomber went in on a secret mission and snuck up on them. Dropping leaflets means more aircraft and the Japs would improve their anti-air defenses to counter it and send fighters too.

I thought the B52 flew higher than anything the Japanese could send to chase after it, and was pretty much safe on its own? Surely the Japanese had radar that could have given them more than enough warning.

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Originally posted by nrjizer I thought the B52 flew higher than anything the Japanese could send to chase after it, and was pretty much safe on its own? Surely the Japanese had radar that could have given them more than enough warning.

You must be thinking of the B-29; the B-52 wasn't operational until 1952(ish). And according to a quick wikipedia check, the Japanese Zero fighter and the B-29 have very similar ceilings, so the B-29 was not out of danger.

And if the Japanese did have radar, which I'm not sure they did, I'd imagine that it would have been destroyed by that point in the war.

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Originally posted by nrjizer I seem to recall hearing that the US air-dropped leaflets over Hiroshima/Nagasaki warning people that the city would be destroyed, and to get the fuck out. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I'm sure it's just on Wiki or something, but meh.

If you watch the first part of the documentary, you can find your answer:

When the weather plane flew over Hiroshima, the population hid expecting an air raid. Had the other plane got there just 10 minutes later, many lives would've been saved. However, after 30 minutes (and the weather plane leaving the are), they came to the conclusion that they were safe.

That, more than anything, was the most painful moment to watch, in my opinion.

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