Pitch increase when vinyl is ending?

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Posted by eckmek on Jan-04-2007 16:44:

Pitch increase when vinyl is ending?

Am i hearing things or is it common for trakcs on vinyl to change pitch as you reach the end of them? Basically a pitch increase...

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jan-04-2007 17:56:

Re: Pitch increase when vinyl is ending?

quote:
Originally posted by eckmek
Am i hearing things or is it common for trakcs on vinyl to change pitch as you reach the end of them? Basically a pitch increase...

it happens

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-04-2007 18:03:

Yep, physics in action... there's less drag from the needle and tonearm as it gets closer to the center.

Posted by Zild on Jan-04-2007 20:25:

Yep.

Posted by eckmek on Jan-04-2007 21:21:

ah, physics...great

thanks guys!

Posted by theognis1002 on Jan-04-2007 21:30:

CD> Vinyl!

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jan-04-2007 21:31:

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Originally posted by theognis1002
CD> Vinyl!

downloading a track missing the first beat ftw!

Posted by Zild on Jan-04-2007 21:34:

Cue it a phrase in FTW.

Posted by Zoso on Jan-04-2007 21:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Cue it a phrase in FTW.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-04-2007 21:37:

Missing the first beat? Whatcha mean?

I've gotta say, as much as I love my 1200's, they sometimes piss me off after playing on CDJ-1000's for the last year and a half. Riding the pitch gets old, I like locking my beats, thank you very much

And these days, everyone expects perfection. With everyone using CDJ's if not Ableton, beatmatching is (or should be) nearly always perfect or pretty damn close. A lot of people don't realize how difficult it is to get that same accuracy with spinning pieces of plastic and a needle dragging over it

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jan-04-2007 21:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Missing the first beat? Whatcha mean?

I've gotta say, as much as I love my 1200's, they sometimes piss me off after playing on CDJ-1000's for the last year and a half. Riding the pitch gets old, I like locking my beats, thank you very much

And these days, everyone expects perfection. With everyone using CDJ's if not Ableton, beatmatching is (or should be) nearly always perfect or pretty damn close. A lot of people don't realize how difficult it is to get that same accuracy with spinning pieces of plastic and a needle dragging over it

Yeah, see that is why I love vinyl. The challenge and having to stay on top of the mix. It's a skill, ya know? Its why I found going to cd's extremely easy, well... because they are noob.

Posted by Zild on Jan-04-2007 21:42:

Yes 95% of professional DJs are noob.

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jan-04-2007 21:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Yes 95% of professional DJs are noob.

you said it

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-04-2007 21:45:

It sure is a skill... but once you've learned it, it's like "meh". I'd rather focus on the mixer or filters/effects or whatever else I'm doing during the mix with two hands, rather than one hand on the pitch slider hoping it doesn't drift at all.

quote:
Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Yeah, see that is why I love vinyl. The challenge and having to stay on top of the mix. It's a skill, ya know? Its why I found going to cd's extremely easy, well... because they are noob.

Posted by DOOMBOT on Jan-04-2007 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
It sure is a skill... but once you've learned it, it's like "meh". I'd rather focus on the mixer or filters/effects or whatever else I'm doing during the mix with two hands, rather than one hand on the pitch slider hoping it doesn't drift at all.

You can do all that you just said while mixing vinyl. It just takes a lot of practice.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-04-2007 21:50:

And I do, its just easier and more reassuring with the CDJs

I dont know if I would even dare play vinyl out at a club today, all the 1200s I see are falling apart and usually wind up as CD holders.

quote:
Originally posted by DOOMBOT
You can do all that you just said while mixing vinyl. It just takes a lot of practice.

Posted by Zild on Jan-04-2007 21:55:

To me they're both just as easy but I guess some of us have troubles.

Posted by Zoso on Jan-04-2007 22:37:

I really want to try mixing with CDJs. But home remodeling and anniversary gifts have wiped out the upgrade budget for some time.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-04-2007 23:23:

Bah, with CDJ's you can hit play and have it locked in like 3 seconds.

Sure it's not impossible with vinyl, but it takes longer. I don't see how that's "as easy/difficult".

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
To me they're both just as easy but I guess some of us have troubles.

Posted by Jarvmeister on Jan-04-2007 23:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Bah, with CDJ's you can hit play and have it locked in like 3 seconds.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. And anyone starting out on CDJs as their first piece of eqipment is not going to learn all that faster how to beatmatch than on vinyl. It's stil lthe first major hurdle, and using CDJs only makes it marginaly easier....

Jarv

Posted by Allayla on Jan-04-2007 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Bah, with CDJ's you can hit play and have it locked in like 3 seconds.

Sure it's not impossible with vinyl, but it takes longer. I don't see how that's "as easy/difficult".

You know your right man, dont even bother arguing about it. Vinyl is just more fun for me because it gives me more of a challenge, but i desperately need cdj's, im sick of buying vinyl, and i don't like serato.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-05-2007 00:13:

That is certainly true...

However, coming from vinyl to CDJ's is much easier than the otherway around.

CDJ's give you the ability to "try this, is it matched? No, try that, is it matched? No... Try this, is it matched? Yes." And then it stays there.

With vinyl, you are dealing with a moving (slightly) target.

I have both, I play both, I like both. But I think it's pretty clear why so many DJ's have converted to CD's at this point.

Why don't you like Serato? I have Torq, and I really like the way you can search through your music and quickly find that perfect track. It's not as easy to do with CD's.

quote:
Originally posted by Jarvmeister
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. And anyone starting out on CDJs as their first piece of eqipment is not going to learn all that faster how to beatmatch than on vinyl. It's stil lthe first major hurdle, and using CDJs only makes it marginaly easier....

Jarv

Posted by Allayla on Jan-05-2007 01:48:

I assume your asking me why i don't like serato? i have nothing against it in general. If i start playing out i dont like the idea of having to "set up" between dj's, i dont want to rely on a laptop. Just personal prefference really.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jan-05-2007 01:58:

I TOTALLY agree with that. I bought Torq for use at home.

When I play out, it's CD's.

quote:
Originally posted by starboy
I assume your asking me why i don't like serato? i have nothing against it in general. If i start playing out i dont like the idea of having to "set up" between dj's, i dont want to rely on a laptop. Just personal prefference really.

Posted by idoru on Jan-05-2007 02:35:

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Originally posted by Zild
Cue it a phrase in FTW.

I have about ten tracks that do that, and I don't see what someone's problem would be with them. There are even a couple that are missing the first two, and in one case six beats.