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Freedom of Speech in the UK

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Cartoons protester found guilty A British Muslim has been found guilty of soliciting murder during a London rally against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad. Umran Javed 27, of Birmingham, was also convicted of stirring up racial hatred by a jury at the Old Bailey. Javed told a crowd of hundreds at the February 2006 protest: "Bomb, bomb Denmark, bomb, bomb USA." He had claimed the chants against the two countries were "just slogans" and that he regretted saying them.

Cartoons protester found guilty

Another fine example of double standards on Freedom of Speech.

No, theres a difference between being free to speak what you want and this-

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She said the law was also clear that free speech "should not be misused to insult, abuse or threaten people in such a way that it will stir up racial hatred".

Which is telling people to commit acts of homicide.
It's that damn simple.
Then again you think David Duke has anything of worth to say which tends to be more or less a big mark against your ability to discern between racism and any kind of objectivity because racism by itself is simply a complete absence of objectivity towards other people.

^^ exactly. there is an inherent difference between expressing an opinion and inciting violence. stiff shit to radical islam.

also, as far as i am aware, the UK (like australia) doesn't have anything like the US' first amendment protecting free speech.

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She said the law was also clear that free speech "should not be misused to insult, abuse or threaten people in such a way that it will stir up racial hatred".

The media does that all the time.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z The media does that all the time.

yeah, doesnt it what

Yes, to be fair "The Media" has been getting away with 'murder' (only a close second to most governments! ) so to speak in somewhat literal terms for years, not helped by the fact it's run by either governments or a handful of rich magnets who's campaign donations are too generous to ever really ignore by anyone thats in government.
So, just means as an educated person you really have to go digging for any semblance of truth and honest criticism because you certainly won't go finding it on major publishers.

What to do about it?
Well theres not much you can do about it down at the bottom of the rung working your job or going to school, earning that wage and given a civil rights to bitch and moan. Youre nothing to these people, a few voices of dissent doesnt cost them anything and if you carry on publically making a nuisance of yourselves by advocating murder, congratulations chump, you've just made another multinational corporation that bit richer by being delightfully noisy and ugly enough to sell a story.

Way I figure it, the only way to get your say in the modern world is with the $, get rich, hack them apart from the top down. A prole with a gun, bomb, loudhailer or a placard never really changed much down the bottom for long and if they do, its a minor speed-hump and then back to normal.
Throw a million at someone for something, you'll get heard. Hell it works for Paris Hilton, most has-been pop stars and thrashed out actors any other day of the week ending in a Y over anything else in the week that might actually have some useful interest for people to learn about.

Re: Freedom of Speech in the UK

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Originally posted by star-traveller Another fine example of double standards on Freedom of Speech.

freedom of speech is myth. the sooner you figure that out...

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Originally posted by Lilith Yes, to be fair "The Media" has been getting away with 'murder' (only a close second to most governments! ) so to speak in somewhat literal terms for years, not helped by the fact it's run by either governments or a handful of rich magnets who's campaign donations are too generous to ever really ignore by anyone thats in government. So, just means as an educated person you really have to go digging for any semblance of truth and honest criticism because you certainly won't go finding it on major publishers. What to do about it? Well theres not much you can do about it down at the bottom of the rung working your job or going to school, earning that wage and given a civil rights to bitch and moan. Youre nothing to these people, a few voices of dissent doesnt cost them anything and if you carry on publically making a nuisance of yourselves by advocating murder, congratulations chump, you've just made another multinational corporation that bit richer by being delightfully noisy and ugly enough to sell a story. Way I figure it, the only way to get your say in the modern world is with the $, get rich, hack them apart from the top down. A prole with a gun, bomb, loudhailer or a placard never really changed much down the bottom for long and if they do, its a minor speed-hump and then back to normal. Throw a million at someone for something, you'll get heard. Hell it works for Paris Hilton, most has-been pop stars and thrashed out actors any other day of the week ending in a Y over anything else in the week that might actually have some useful interest for people to learn about.

Very nicely said. I should save it somewhere.

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Originally posted by Q5echo freedom of speech is myth. the sooner you figure that out...

So, am I right in saying that the US is fighting for a myth than?

fighting what? terror?

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Originally posted by Q5echo fighting what? terror?

Iraq.

you'll have to take that up with them.

they have their own Constitution, ya know?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, doesnt it what

LOL, what's gotton into you man? It was just an isolated comment on freedom of speech, and really has nothing to do with anything specific to the content of the article . In principle, I agree with responsibility and limitations when it comes to free speech but I will never trust any goverment on the face of this planet anywhere to enforce anything like that. You should know me better than that by now, especially considering I'm American. Occ has taken some pretty awkward stances on free speach from what I hear although I haven't seen any of those threads for myself. But I know he's a pricipled guy who stands up for what he believes in, regardless of how unpleasant it may be. I'm completely against hate speech and all this other nonsense restricting free speech. Thought you already knew that though.

^^ i was agreeing with you man

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ i was agreeing with you man

Sounds like love to me...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ i was agreeing with you man

LOL, Ok. I was totally confused by your response there .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Occ has taken some pretty awkward stances on free speach from what I hear although I haven't seen any of those threads for myself. But I know he's a pricipled guy who stands up for what he believes in, regardless of how unpleasant it may be.

Boom, here you go :

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=1

I'm amused at how my original defense of free speech was in defense of something that was anti-muslim as opposed to this thread. Yet the arguments can be closely linked. Nothing, however, brings me out of the wood works like free speech issues.

Naturally, I consider the conviction of Javed to be as much of an affront to free speech as I would consider a criminally punitive response to the cartoons that Javed is campaigning against.

Muchas gracias .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Muchas gracias .

You're welcome. That's one of the few threads where I put a lot of research in to back my points. I really don't read supreme court cases in my spare time.

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Originally posted by occrider I really don't read supreme court cases in my spare time.

LOL. Neigther do I .

EDIT: Another thing, offtopic, since you're here at the moment, I beg you to become a mod Occ! Pretty please!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL. Neigther do I . EDIT: Another thing, offtopic, since you're here at the moment, I beg you to become a mod Occ! Pretty please!

Would if I were asked, but personally I don't think I'm here enough to really be a good mod unless I were pmed with issues (that popup and email to my account reminds me to visit TA ). Plus I like talking politics, but I don't like playing politics ... playing politics seems to be the number one issue with mods from what I see in the COR.

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Originally posted by occrider Would if I were asked, but personally I don't think I'm here enough to really be a good mod unless I were pmed with issues (that popup and email to my account reminds me to visit TA ). Plus I like talking politics, but I don't like playing politics ... playing politics seems to be the number one issue with mods from what I see in the COR.

Which is exactly why you'd make an excellent mod.

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