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Posted by Scorchio on Mar-28-2002 11:08:

Beats

Ok I've been wondering around here and I saw allot of these terms:
4/4
8/8
16/16
32/32

Breaks etc...
Can sombody explain please what do those patterns mean and how can they affect my mixing?
Thanks in advance

Posted by on Mar-28-2002 13:31:

ok so its like that
usualy alot of dj's mix with 4/4 beats because its easier
8/8 beats means double speed and so on and so on
with 8/8 beats you have to be more accurate with the mixing because its faster.

Posted by oDrori on Mar-28-2002 14:00:

These are the more professional terms but mostly as I've seen here people use them to describe the points when bars end begin...

Like, mixing with 4/4 points means that when a song enters it's at the end of a series of 4 kicks of the last one (and not at the 2nd kick for example)

Mixing with 8/8 points means that the new track enters when a series of 8 kicks end etc.

Breaks is a shorter term for Breakbeats.

Posted by DJ-Kuza on Mar-28-2002 15:25:

MOst songs follow a pattern, bump bump bump bump, repeat that over and over. 4 beats, 4 beats, 4 beats. And then new sounds come in on the 8th, 16th, or 32nd beat. SO you don't want to bring in your new track on the 15th beat because people will notice it's a new song and off melody. So you bring it in depending on the track you are coming off of. SO Track A is going 4/4 and it changes every 8/8, so I'm goign to beat match on the 4/4 and then bring it in on the 8th or 16th beat. HOpe that helps.

Posted by D-Syde on Mar-28-2002 16:03:

To go off what these guys said, every trance song has a pattern. If you count the beats you will see the pattern, like I said in every trance song (different genres too).

So listen to a song and count just the bass beats, you'll see they make this pattern:

1-234, 2-234, 3-234, 4-234, 5-234, 6-234, 7-234, 8-234 (repeat)

(I think this is the 8/8 you were talking about...could be wrong)

Now how this helps your mixing is...the song you are about to mix in should not only be beat matched, but it should also match this pattern...thats called phrase matching. Paying attention to this pattern you'll soon realize a new element of the song (such as a clap or lyrics) will always be added or taken away on the #1 in the above sequence.

Hope Im not too redundant, and hope this helps.

Posted by Scorchio on Mar-28-2002 18:53:

Things seems to be much clearer now.
I started to count the beats and I understood what everyone are talking about.
But I want to ask you this, lets say Im mixing two tracks and one has the 8/8 pattern while the other one has 4/4.
How do I need to match them to get a good mix?
Im still a little confused because I usually just start to mix at the end of the fourth beat so correct me if im wrong.

And by the way, I was listenign to some tracks and almost every single tracks had 32 beats before the sounds kicked in.
so which track which has 4/4 pattern ?

Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-28-2002 19:17:

Its really not necessary to know the 4/4 or 8/8. Eventually you just learn that an element will kick in at a certain time and you can go by instinct. It also helps if you know your records well

Counting beats can help i guess, but eventually you wont need to count cause you can feel it.

If you have a 8/8 and a 4/4 record, the 4/4 record coming in can be cued in on the 4/8 or 8/8. It really doesnt matter, just dont go on the odd beat like 7/8 or 1/8 or 3/8. I hope this makes sense

Posted by DJ-Kuza on Mar-28-2002 19:53:

they all have 4/4. I think every song in the world does. You shouls beat match on the 4/4 because you don't have to wait as long to hear if it's matched. The 8th or 32nd beat is when it changes. THat can be different. SOme change on 16, some on 32. But they all have a 4/4 or 8/8.

Posted by djsblaha on Mar-28-2002 21:11:

i am almost positive what people mean by 8/8 is just a double speed of 4/4. the kick drums are typically on a 4/4 pattern in trance music, and if you add the off beat cymbal, usually a hi-hat, and count it from that would have
1 2 3 4 1... kick drum
123456781... hi hat
i could be wrong about what people mean by that, but that's what 8/8 would be on sheet music.

Posted by acidko on Mar-28-2002 22:39:

here's a good link on track structure beats, bars, .. and mixing techinnique. http://music.hyperreal.org/dj/AVH/Basics.html#structure

check it out..

Posted by Great Outdoors on Mar-29-2002 06:58:

I think to put it simply, every song follows a pattern that goes 4/4. 2 of these 4/4s is the same as one of the 8/8s.
4/4 is 4 times of 4, which is 16. 2 of this 16 is 32.
8/8 is 8 times of 8, which is one time of 32.
So you only have to know that new layers will only come in every 4 beats or every 8 beats. If you're going to do a transition, make sure you do it only after every 8 beats, 16 beats or 32 beats. That's mixing in phase.
I think I just confused things further, damn!

Posted by Scorchio on Mar-29-2002 10:10:

Hehe
Thanks guys, I think Im starting to catch things up

Posted by DJ LIQUID on Mar-29-2002 15:31:

"4" is the magic number

learn it love it live it

Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-30-2002 18:23:

in chinese, 4 means death