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Posted by DevilDogUSMC on Jan-09-2007 05:18:

Venezuela: Chavez to shut down opposition TV

Chavez to shut down opposition TV
BBCNews.com
Last Updated: Friday, 29 December 2006, 03:42 GMT

The move has been called a grave violation of freedom of expression
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said he will not renew the licence for the country's second largest TV channel which he says expires in March 2007.

In an address to troops, Mr Chavez said he would not tolerate media outlets working towards a coup against him.

Radio Caracas Television, which is aligned with the opposition, supported a strike against Mr Chavez in 2003.

But the TV's head said there must be some mistake as its licence was not up for renewal in the near future.

Marcel Granier also vowed to fight against the president's plans in Venezuela's courts and on the international stage.

The BBC's Greg Morsbach in Caracas says Mr Chavez has repeatedly threatened to take the TV off the air but has never given a date.


There will be no new operating licence for this coupist TV channel - the measure has been drafted so go turn off the equipment
Hugo Chavez

The move could help silence some of his critics in the media who have been a thorn in his side for several years, he says.

Mr Chavez, who was returned to power by a wide margin on 3 December, said Mr Granier was mistaken in believing "that concession is eternal".

"It runs out in March. So it's better that you go and prepare your suitcase and look around for what you're going to do in March," he said during a televised speech to soldiers at a military academy in Caracas.

"There will be no new operating licence for this coupist TV channel called RCTV. The operating licence is over... So go and turn off the equipment," Mr Chavez said.

'Violation of freedom'

Mr Chavez said the channel was "at the service of coups against the people, against the nation, against national independence, against the dignity of the republic".

The channel is among a number of private TV and radio networks that in recent years have strongly criticized Mr Chavez' government and favoured the opposition.

Many media outlets, including RCTV, supported a bungled coup in 2002 and a devastating general strike in 2003 that failed to unseat the president.

The press freedom campaign group, Reporters Without Borders, said the proposed move would be a grave violation of freedom of expression in Venezuela.

RCTV is one of the country's oldest channels and began broadcasting in 1953.
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What's worse is when he said if the opposition
questioned the last election he'd get rid of
term limits...


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 15:33:

INVADE, DAMMIT!

He's got WMDs too, doesn't he? Doesn't he have ties to al Qaeda?!?!?!

ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 15:41:

He has an army, a bunch of Russian SU aircrafts, Russian Air-Defence System, I doubt it'd be so easy to attack him.

But I like that guy, he has a big balls and large crude reserves to make his own policy, and not being another third country listed in an axis-of-evil list.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 16:44:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
He has an army, a bunch of Russian SU aircrafts, Russian Air-Defence System, I doubt it'd be so easy to attack him.

But I like that guy, he has a big balls and large crude reserves to make his own policy, and not being another third country listed in an axis-of-evil list.


Only pussies would think it wouldn't be easy to attack him.

Why do you hate America so much?


Posted by LazFX on Jan-09-2007 16:54:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Only pussies would think it wouldn't be easy to attack him.

Why do you hate America so much?




Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 16:57:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Only pussies would think it wouldn't be easy to attack him.

Why do you hate America so much?


I don't. I hate the current government and its foreign policy. They're so greedy and blind in protecting their own interests that they give a shit on everybody who thinks in different way.
Every country has to protect their own interests, but there is some limit that shouldn't be ever crossed.

In my opinion Venezuela is doing same thing now as America in Iraq. Just secure their interest.


Posted by Shakka on Jan-09-2007 17:42:

Next stop, authoritarian communism. Should be sweet. In the long run, I fear Chavez will take Venezuela backwards if he continues on this path. Venezuelan stock market taking a drubbing today, down over 10%. Ouch!


Posted by metalgearsolid on Jan-09-2007 17:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Next stop, authoritarian communism. Should be sweet. In the long run, I fear Chavez will take Venezuela backwards if he continues on this path. Venezuelan stock market taking a drubbing today, down over 10%. Ouch!


Venezuela has a stock market?! Holy shit Im just that ignorant!


Posted by shaolin_Z on Jan-09-2007 17:58:

^^ LOL


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 18:22:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
I don't. I hate the current government and its foreign policy. They're so greedy and blind in protecting their own interests that they give a shit on everybody who thinks in different way.
Every country has to protect their own interests, but there is some limit that shouldn't be ever crossed.

In my opinion Venezuela is doing same thing now as America in Iraq. Just secure their interest.


Securing their interests to squash and shut down all dissent? Hmmm, come to think of it - I guess he is a bit like Bush in some ways. I guess I like him a lot more now too, but he still needs to be invaded.

Besides, our interests lie in the security of our energy needs - and if God put those energy needs in other countries, then it's up to us to be tested by our Lord God and His Son, Jesus Christ, and protect our interests as much as possible.

It is a difficult test by God, to be certain, but I think we as a Christian Nation should respond appropriately and protect our vital interests as much as possible.

And please stop hating America and Jesus so much. It really is disturbing.


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 18:36:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Securing their interests to squash and shut down all dissent? Hmmm, come to think of it - I guess he is a bit like Bush in some ways. I guess I like him a lot more now too, but he still needs to be invaded.

Besides, our interests lie in the security of our energy needs - and if God put those energy needs in other countries, then it's up to us to be tested by our Lord God and His Son, Jesus Christ, and protect our interests as much as possible.

It is a difficult test by God, to be certain, but I think we as a Christian Nation should respond appropriately and protect our vital interests as much as possible.

And please stop hating America and Jesus so much. It really is disturbing.


Are you high?

ps.
Invade them, it will help Russia, 'cause your God will help testing their weapon systems in a combat action.


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 18:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Next stop, authoritarian communism. Should be sweet. In the long run, I fear Chavez will take Venezuela backwards if he continues on this path. Venezuelan stock market taking a drubbing today, down over 10%. Ouch!


Maybe Sovereign Democracy? Should be sweet too if America will stop all those stupid embargos.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
Are you high?

ps.
Invade them, it will help Russia, 'cause your God will help testing their weapon systems in a combat action.


They won't stand a chance against our weaponry and technology that God has helped us create. We'll hit them hard and secure the oil fields that are rightly ours faster than they can lift a finger.

And we'll find WMDs.

And we'll rid the world of yet another dictator.

And we'll show the world our mighty power in this incredible War on Terror.

What an America-hater you are. Please leave my country and the baby Jesus alone.


Posted by DevilDogUSMC on Jan-09-2007 18:54:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
He has an army, a bunch of Russian SU aircrafts, Russian Air-Defence System, I doubt it'd be so easy to attack him.

But I like that guy, he has a big balls and large crude reserves to make his own policy, and not being another third country listed in an axis-of-evil list.


Without dragging anymore of your anti-american comments
into a thread about Venezuela, I suppose you support
Chavez's efforts to hurt his domestic opposition and
their criticism of his policies?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 19:00:

quote:
Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC
Without dragging anymore of your anti-american comments
into a thread about Venezuela, I suppose you support
Chavez's efforts to hurt his domestic opposition and
their criticism of his policies?


Don't forget him being anti-Christian too. Must be an atheist bastard who parades around naked with a Communist flag used as a cape.

I just don't get these people. Our Christian Nation supports all other nations that don't do policies like these. We support those countries that promote democracy and show our disgust and dissent towards ALL countries with ruthless dictators who quell dissenters.

Why can't this anti-American see that?


Posted by Shakka on Jan-09-2007 19:13:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
Maybe Sovereign Democracy? Should be sweet too if America will stop all those stupid embargos.


Riiiight--that's the direction he's clearly going by declaring private industry as sole property of the state. When has nationalization ever been considered a step in the direction of democracy and liberty? An interesting quote from the other Chavez thread that I started that came from the Economist:

More like:
quote:
The process Fidel advised requires the slow dismantling of institutions that act as checks on the executive while maintaining the guise of democracy. This calls for healthy poll numbers even while the rule of law is being trampled. Mr. Ch�vez had oil revenues to keep the masses happy while he put a noose around democracy.


Posted by Shakka on Jan-09-2007 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Venezuela has a stock market?! Holy shit Im just that ignorant!


Today's action on the Venezuela Stock Market Index (IBVC Index)...

Down 11,574 to 50,438.71, down from 62,012.71. That's almost a 19% move straight down in a single day. That's the equivalent of about a 2,300 point smackdown on the Dow in a single day. Feel the love!


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1

...

I just don't get these people. Our Christian Nation supports all other nations that don't do policies like these. We support those countries that promote democracy and show our disgust and dissent towards ALL countries with ruthless dictators who quell dissenters.

Why can't this anti-American see that?


Oh yeah, you can tell it to your Mom.

Look on Georgia, Azerbaijan and a mighty Kazahstan.
Yes you support them, but they don't give a shit about democracy in their country.

ps.
Fuck off.


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 19:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Riiiight--that's the direction he's clearly going by declaring private industry as sole property of the state. When has nationalization ever been considered a step in the direction of democracy and liberty? An interesting quote from the other Chavez thread that I started that came from the Economist:

More like:


Yes. Saudi Arabia has done the same. I don't see anybody complaining about that.


Posted by Shakka on Jan-09-2007 19:30:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
Yes. Saudi Arabia has done the same. I don't see anybody complaining about that.


There's a difference between nationalization of natural resources vs. nationailzatio of established private infrastructure. The democratic way is through greater regulation. The "I'm a dick-tator" method is via theft of value that was created by others.


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 19:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
There's a difference between nationalization of natural resources vs. nationailzatio of established private infrastructure. The democratic way is through greater regulation. The "I'm a dick-tator" method is via theft of value that was created by others.


Really, I don't see any difference. What's the problem? He will build all that private infrastructure. Last time I check, I didn't find any democratic regulations in Saudi Arabia.

Who do think own the natural resources in Saudi Arabia? Population?

America is going to theft Iraqi oil incase they sign that Law, is that ok with you?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 19:47:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
Oh yeah, you can tell it to your Mom.

Look on Georgia, Azerbaijan and a mighty Kazahstan.
Yes you support them, but they don't give a shit about democracy in their country.

ps.
Fuck off.


I believe my snarky work here is done.

That was fun.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
There's a difference between nationalization of natural resources vs. nationailzatio of established private infrastructure. The democratic way is through greater regulation. The "I'm a dick-tator" method is via theft of value that was created by others.


If I didn't know any better, I'd say you are dangerously close to splitting hairs here. The dictatorship in Saudi Arabia, though different as the one versus Chavez, is granted different on a number of fronts both in historical origin and present-day infrastructure. However, it is still a dictatorship nonetheless. Nationalizing the resources versus nationalizing private industries has different means to the same end, do they not?


Posted by star-traveller on Jan-09-2007 19:55:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I believe my snarky work here is done.

That was fun.


What was the point?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jan-09-2007 20:02:

quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
What was the point?


One that was evidently and consistently missed. Using snark to play devil's advocate serves a purpose, one that you helped expose. Man, did you honestly think I could ever take such silly positions?


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