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Bush pulling needed troops out of Afghanistan - AGAIN

The little bastard never learns:

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Taliban prepare offensive against US, NATO troops [...] President Bush is expected to announce this week the dispatch of thousands of additional troops to Iraq as a stopgap measure. Such an order, Pentagon officials say, would strain the Army and Marine Corps as they man both wars. A US Army battalion fighting in a critical area of eastern Afghanistan is due to be withdrawn within weeks to deploy to Iraq. Army Brigadier General Anthony J. Tata and other US commanders say that will happen as the Taliban is expected to unleash a campaign to cut the vital road between Kabul and Kandahar. http://www.boston.com/news/world/as...in_afghanistan/

Swell. Great way to fight this war with your little "surge" - pick off the troops from the other war that are desparately needed to stay put and fight off the Taliban to support your asinine and extraordinarily unpopular "surge" fiasco in Iraq. Not like you're desparate or anything.

Oh, and if this seems eerily familar with Bush pulling his troops out of Tora Bora in the hunt for bin Laden and placing them to fight in Iraq instead, you're not alone.

How many troops will be dispatched from Afghanistan? All 20k?

If so, all I can guess, that by taking people to a war out of the US right now, will have a negative response on his and this war rating.

This pretty much negates any positive outlook on the US that would have been present in south-central Asia.

We left Afghanistan high and dry twice now.

I had an epiphany of sorts today after hearing a snippet of Rush Limbaugh (a guy at work listens to it...makes me glad I got an iPod for Christmas) that the same people who are crying foul and saying that the "liberals" all want to "cut and run" are the same people who have no problem at all with how we cut and run in Afghanistan in 1989, and won't admit that we, as a nation, have now failed to fulfill the spirit of our promises to the Afghan people TWICE in 20 years.

We had a chance in 2001-2002 to finally correct the wrong created by the CIA during the Afghan war with the USSR and we totally fucking blew it by invading Iraq on shady pretenses and with a horrible plan of action (if you can say there was really any plan of action at all past the Blitzkrieg first week).


MrS

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 The little bastard never learns: Swell. Great way to fight this war with your little "surge" - pick off the troops from the other war that are desparately needed to stay put and fight off the Taliban to support your asinine and extraordinarily unpopular "surge" fiasco in Iraq. Not like you're desparate or anything. Oh, and if this seems eerily familar with Bush pulling his troops out of Tora Bora in the hunt for bin Laden and placing them to fight in Iraq instead, you're not alone.

so Opus what do you know about which ONE battalion is going where because who said they could go?

do you people know how big a battalion is? how big this one is? how well this ONE battalion can fight?

this isn't your war Opus. spare us your concern and don't pretend it is.

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Originally posted by Q5echo so Opus what do you know about which ONE battalion is going where because who said they could go? do you people know how big a battalion is? how big this one is? how well this ONE battalion can fight? this isn't your war Opus. spare us your concern and don't pretend it is.

thats hardly relevant. the point is afghanistan is unstable, getting worse by all accounts, and he's pulling troops from it to send to iraq, where they're gonna achieve what exactly? whats an extra 20K going to do that the previous 140K couldn't?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thats hardly relevant. the point is afghanistan is unstable,

my point is completely relevant. Bush didn't call out this one battalion, his Commanders did.

making an assertion that Afghanistan is so "unstable" that it couldn't possibly warrant the loss of ONE battalion to protect ONE road only limits your understanding of why this ONE battalion was selected.

The issue is there is now no reason to be in Iraq nor Afghanistan. What's the aim now?

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Originally posted by Q5echo my point is completely relevant. Bush didn't call out this one battalion, his Commanders did. making an assertion that Afghanistan is so "unstable" that it couldn't possibly warrant the loss of ONE battalion to protect ONE road only limits your understanding of why this ONE battalion was selected.

i dont claim to have ultimate understanding. but from all reports afghanistan is sliding further away from stability, and pulling troops out (from wherever) is hardly going to help.

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Originally posted by Q5echo my point is completely relevant. Bush didn't call out this one battalion, his Commanders did. making an assertion that Afghanistan is so "unstable" that it couldn't possibly warrant the loss of ONE battalion to protect ONE road only limits your understanding of why this ONE battalion was selected.

Well then why don't you enlighten us as you seem to know these things that we don't.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont claim to have ultimate understanding.

of course i don't either, however if a field Commander says he could spare a battalion, and i know he's got a few divisions at his disposal including NATO, i'm gonna have to take him at his word

Am I that special that you had to put me in your sig Q?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Am I that special that you had to put me in your sig Q?

shut up.

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Originally posted by Q5echo shut up.

You might want to condiser taking your own advice, might spare you some embarrasment as well .

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Originally posted by venomX Well then why don't you enlighten us as you seem to know these things that we don't.

it's ONE battalion.

Opus, for one reason or another, wants you to think it's Bush the one making this particular call. it isn't.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z might spare you some embarrasment as well .

please don't concern yourself.

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Originally posted by Q5echo please don't concern yourself.

Sure, I don't have a problem doing that, but apparently you're pretty obsessed with me, and getting my attention, even had to put me in your sig LOL.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Sure, I don't have a problem doing that, but apparently you're pretty obsessed with me, and getting my attention, even had to put me in your sig LOL.

dude, let it go already

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's ONE battalion. Opus, for one reason or another, wants you to think it's Bush the one making this particular call. it isn't.

Don't you see Q? Everything the military or government does,
from the forest service, to the merchant marines, it's all
Bush's doing. One platoon gets a 5 minute break during a
march and it was an executive order signed by Bush! OMG!

well, at the top of Boston.com's link Opus provided it has pic with the caption:

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General James T. Conway wants a US Marine battalion sent.

what else is a rational person supposed to think?

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Originally posted by Q5echo so Opus what do you know about which ONE battalion is going where because who said they could go?

The relevance of knowing the specifics of which battalion is being deployed right when this is occurring:

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Taliban forces, shattered and ejected from Afghanistan by the US military five years ago, are poised for a major offensive against US troops and undermanned NATO forces. This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions.

is what?

US commanders are issuing a fucking urgent appeal for another battalion, but instead gets orders to send one of their battalions away instead?

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do you people know how big a battalion is? how big this one is? how well this ONE battalion can fight?

And the necessity to know that when this is occurring:

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This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions.

is what again?

Q, I'm curious - who the fuck are you trying to impress with your insolent silly remarks here? I try really hard to understand a person such as yourself who at one point remarked that Bush has made no mistakes whatsoever, but it's damn hard. A battalion consists of a handful of companies, which combined can have a total number anywhere between a few hundred to over a thousand.

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this isn't your war Opus. spare us your concern and don't pretend it is.

What the fuck kind of statement is that? I supported this war (and actually initially the Iraq War) from the start. Seriously, what the fuck is your point in writing such bullshit statements like this?

Whether it be a few troops or a thousand troops is highly irrelevant. All intelligence figures (which means Greek to you, I understand) points to the Taliban resurging and gaining strength in that region. The last thing we need is another distraction from that war. We were distracted once by THIS PRESIDENT'S actions to invade another country and divert our troops and intelligence elsewhere, and THIS PRESIDENT'S PLAN is now doing the same act.

Yes, Q, I'm sorry to break the hard news to you, but Bush is responsible for this plan and ultimately responsible for diverting troops to Iraq, once again. No one else is ultimately responsible, unless of course you're going to tell me that it wasn't Bush who announed on TV the other night about sending a surge/escalation of more troops to Iraq?

Put your condescending tone back where it belongs - between your two asscheeks. Where the fuck do you get off thinking I don't have a fucking vested interest in how we handle the war in Afghanistan? If you don't mind, I'd like to at least come away with a bit of success in at least 1 of our wars as opposed to being fucked in both wars. If anything, it's ignorant nitwits like you that demonstrate their lack of concern for that war - otherwise I believe you would show your disapproval of us taking our eye off of bin Laden and giving that job over to corrupt warlords.

But I still don't seem to recall you stating such disapproval. Strange that.

Considering that NATO commanders (well, the ones actually doing the heavy fighting other than US) are screaming for merely few thousand (2000 or something like that IIRC), a battalion of 600-800 soldiers is actually quite a lot.

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Originally posted by Q5echo condecend this, dude. with that diatribe of yours said, are you willing to put the entire credibility of the ground Commanders in Afghanistan on the line over one vague sentence from an editorial in the paper? looks like it to me.

Dipshit, it's not an editorial. I know that's hard to comprehend, but it's the second time you've made that mistake of calling an AP news item an editorial.

And yes, by the intelligence reports on Afghanistan and by this paragraph:

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Taliban forces, shattered and ejected from Afghanistan by the US military five years ago, are poised for a major offensive against US troops and undermanned NATO forces. This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions.

Which by the way, are you stating that the last sentence is false? Are you stating that US commanders have NOT issued appeals for more troops to Afghanistan?

Couple that with these further statements:

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Despite the presence of about 30,000 NATO troops -- roughly 10 percent short of what its member nations had pledged to provide -- Taliban attacks on US, allied, and Afghan forces more than tripled in the past year, from 1,632 in 2005 to 5,388 in 2006, US officials say.

I'd say that pulling any troops out of the region is a miscalculation, ESPECIALLY for the escalation elsewhere. I got the message that Gen. Conway is sending the battalion out when I first read this, champ. Tell me something, would he be sending ANY troops out if it weren't for Bush's escalation plan?

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this is not your war. don't pretend it is.

Oh, I see your condescending point now. Gee, sorry to be such a concerned American citizen, champ. I guess when I see more troops diverted to a failed and extraordinarily unpopular escalation plan with no end goal in sight (much like the rest of the Iraq war) by our Administration as a last ditch effort to save his own ass while killing others, I tend to get a little pissed. Crazy, I know, but it happens to us little American citizens.

So why did commanders send troops and intelligence away from the Tora Bora region and into Iraq away from bin Laden (you know, the guy that attacked us?), while placing that operation in the hands primarily of corrupt warlords? I still haven't received a very good answer from you on that.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I still haven't received a very good answer from you on that.

i have no idea. well i kinda do but im not gonna air it right now.

so your still convinced Bush made this call, right? he said f**k all you guys i want this Btn in Iraq right now. that just defies logic.

i don't give a f**k about NATO. NATO operates under it's own umbrella as far as manning.

i don't care if its not an editorial or if it was written on the back of a napkin by a 3rd grader you are willing to put the entire credibility of the ground Commanders in Afghanistan on the line over one vague sentence in the paper. why anyone would do that only tells me they really aren't interested in a solution because it's not their war.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Tell me something, would he be sending ANY troops out if it weren't for Bush's escalation plan?

who the fuck knows what he would have them do. thats a cynical question, but apparently he doesn't want them in Afghanistan.

1 battalion = 300-1,000 soldiers

I'm more than confident that the 2,500 Canadian troops in Afghanistan right now can pick up the slack.

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