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Sweet! New Xone:S2 and Xone:2D!

Check out the NAMM announcments!
http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/news_story.asp?view=358

The 2D looks like exactly what I wanted, the ability to add some MIDI functionality in A+H quality to my Xone:92 rotary. The 3D was too expensive, and I didn't want to give up the rotary.

Looks like it's list price is around $900, guessing it'll sell for around $600-700? That's a bit of change, but for A+H quality and integrated soundcard, not as horrific as the 3D. Although buying 2 of these and a Xone 92 would set you back quite a bit...

The other benefit? This looks like it'd be easy to bring with you to a gig.

Pretty cool, but isnt it just basically a hack job of what's out there? For a lot cheaper I guess.

I wish I had a reason and the money to buy an 2D.

Well not really...

1. The 3D looks great, but the integrated mixer is really a bit much for anyone who already has a nice mixer, or who want to play out with it. It's also very expensive.

2. The 3D/2D is built really well, like a Xone mixer is. All of the MIDI controller I've played with are super-cheap, which is great money wise, but not playability wise.

3. The integreated sound card is a great feature, one less item to lug around with you.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Pretty cool, but isnt it just basically a hack job of what's out there? For a lot cheaper I guess.

I'm liking both of them... The Xone S2 has a list price $1161 and the 2D has a list price of $645. Hmmm

I just came

The S2 really seems like a waste of money to me at this point - aren't there countless items out there that do the EXACT same thing for far cheaper?

Paying that kind of money solely for "A&H Build" seems really, really ridiculous.

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Originally posted by DjWoody The Xone S2 has a list price $1161

That's all? That's like $500-600 less than the Xone 92. I wonder why?

A&H Sound quality hasn't been matched yet. The closest has been by Rane, and it's still not matched. The S2 is also a cheaper alternative to Xone 92. I'm considering getting a S2, but I'm waiting for Rane to announce their rumored 19" mixer with Serato built in, and I'm also hoping that Pioneer will upgrade their DJM3000 to match the DJM800. The DJM3000 is long due!

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Originally posted by RJT The S2 really seems like a waste of money to me at this point - aren't there countless items out there that do the EXACT same thing for far cheaper? Paying that kind of money solely for "A&H Build" seems really, really ridiculous.

You mean the 2D (the midi controller), right?

If so, then I agree, save for the fact that it has a MIDI clock signal built right in. That's a strong selling point... but I still wouldn't buy one.

If A&H would put that sound card with it's accurate MIDI clock into something like a 92, they'd have the greatest DJ mixer ever made, and I would be forced to pawn most of my posessions to get one.

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Originally posted by nrjizer That's all? That's like $500-600 less than the Xone 92. I wonder why?

19" Mixers are cheaper than 10" mixers. Also the Xone 92 has dual filters, the S2 only has one. But the S2 has newer features the XOne 92 doesnt. It's the same story with Pioneer. The DJM3000 is the 19" version of the DJM600, it has more inputs & features than the DJM600 and it costs a lot lets.

Any particular reason why? Seems sort of random.

No, there aren't:

1. Find one with an integrated sound card.
2. Find one with a layout that suits ableton so well.

Factor in the build quality aspect, and $641 (which means it should be around $500-600?), and that's a nice option.

Build quality and feel are important for the same reason you don't buy a behringer mixer.

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Originally posted by RJT The S2 really seems like a waste of money to me at this point - aren't there countless items out there that do the EXACT same thing for far cheaper? Paying that kind of money solely for "A&H Build" seems really, really ridiculous.

Well that's not really "true", it's more opinion. Head over to wavemusic.com, a lot of very big names in club sound hang out there. Nearly all of them prefer the Rane MP2016 to the A+H xone mixers as far as sound quality goes, and EVERYONE says the Urei 1620 trumps them both. But in this class, they all sound "good", it's really preference.

I don't see an LFO on the filter section of the S2? I really don't use it much on my 92, but that might be why it's a little cheaper too.

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Originally posted by DjWoody A&H Sound quality hasn't been matched yet. The closest has been by Rane, and it's still not matched. The S2 is also a cheaper alternative to Xone 92. I'm considering getting a S2, but I'm waiting for Rane to announce their rumored 19" mixer with Serato built in, and I'm also hoping that Pioneer will upgrade their DJM3000 to match the DJM800. The DJM3000 is long due!

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 No, there aren't: 1. Find one with an integrated sound card. 2. Find one with a layout that suits ableton so well. Factor in the build quality aspect, and $641 (which means it should be around $500-600?), and that's a nice option. Build quality and feel are important for the same reason you don't buy a behringer mixer.

Well, I don't know much about things like this - but there seems to at the very least be a vocal minority that thinks the 3d/2d (which is what I was talking about, sorry for the confusion) isn't necessarily layed out that well for Ableton. Whether or not its true isn't for me to say, as I've never touched a 3d.

However, as an A&H owner already, I understand the desire for their build quality - I just don't think I'd shell out this kind of money for what can essentially be done for around half the price.

And did you not say the list price was $900? If so, I wouldn't expect to be able to get one for less than $700 very easily.

Someone posted the list as $650. So it could be "in the range".

I think the 3D/2D are pretty well laid out, kinda similar to sasha's maven. The 3D is super expensive, and like I said, I want something to compliment my mixer, not replace it.

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Originally posted by RJT Well, I don't know much about things like this - but there seems to at the very least be a vocal minority that thinks the 3d/2d (which is what I was talking about, sorry for the confusion) isn't necessarily layed out that well for Ableton. Whether or not its true isn't for me to say, as I've never touched a 3d. However, as an A&H owner already, I understand the desire for their build quality - I just don't think I'd shell out this kind of money for what can essentially be done for around half the price. And did you not say the list price was $900? If so, I wouldn't expect to be able to get one for less than $700 very easily.

I'd still want a 92, but the S2 doesn't look shabby.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Someone posted the list as $650. So it could be "in the range". I think the 3D/2D are pretty well laid out, kinda similar to sasha's maven. The 3D is super expensive, and like I said, I want something to compliment my mixer, not replace it.

Fair enough m8 - And I'm certain it's a quality piece of equipment.

Diffr'nt strokes to move the world.

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Originally posted by Demoted I'd still want a 92, but the S2 doesn't look shabby.

Hell, for $1100~ I'd spring for the S2 over the 92 almost any day.

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Originally posted by nrjizer You mean the 2D (the midi controller), right? If so, then I agree, save for the fact that it has a MIDI clock signal built right in. That's a strong selling point... but I still wouldn't buy one. If A&H would put that sound card with it's accurate MIDI clock into something like a 92, they'd have the greatest DJ mixer ever made, and I would be forced to pawn most of my posessions to get one.

wouldn't that be a little redundant?

the 3D is a 92 with a modded layout + the midi controllers - the 4band. but basically, the same thing.

Rotary S2.....liking a lot.
Seems to be decently priced too... hmmmm. Wonder what my vestax will fetch

Putting a soundcard and MIDI control into the 92 doesn't make sense.

If that's what you want, the DJM-800 has that (minus the soundcard).

The issue is that for people who have tried to use it as BOTH a MIDI controller AND a mixer, it just doesn't work.

I think having the separate controllers is a great idea for portability.

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Originally posted by Inertia wouldn't that be a little redundant? the 3D is a 92 with a modded layout + the midi controllers - the 4band. but basically, the same thing.

im curious to see what new pio products we'll see over the next couple of days from NAMM

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Originally posted by Inertia wouldn't that be a little redundant? the 3D is a 92 with a modded layout + the midi controllers - the 4band. but basically, the same thing.

Yeah, but it costs $1000 more, and while it certainly looks like a great piece of kit, I'm more interested in a Bitstream 3x for my MIDI controlling purposes.

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Putting a soundcard and MIDI control into the 92 doesn't make sense. If that's what you want, the DJM-800 has that (minus the soundcard).

Yeah, but the DJM doesn't have the awesome A&H sound quality (not trying to start a debate, but analog and digital are two different platforms all together), or their awesome filters, or EQs, and from what I've gathered over the years, A&H's superior durability.

Don't get me wrong, the DJM-800 is a damn nice mixer. But I think Xones are better.

I posted those prices because that's what's listed on A&H's site.

"The Xone:S2 will be shipping in March 2007, with an approximate SRP of �900 (ex VAT)."

"The Xone:2D will be shipping in March 2007, SRP �499 (ex VAT)."



�900 = $1,161.63 U.S. dollar
�499 = $644.06 U.S. dollar

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