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Kids die immitating Saddam's hanging.

I made a similar thread in COR but I also wanted to discuss this issue in PDD.

So, boys died imitating Saddam's hanging shown on TV and internet. (Source) With the Media always on the look out for dramatic news, they are pushing the limits when it comes to showing graphic content. They tend to forget that such news articles may not be fit for children to view. Are there any Government regulations on the media industry (in the US) on what to broadcast and what not to ? Even if there are, I am pretty sure the regulations are overlooked in most cases. A mere advisory posted before showing the video clip is not enough. The consequences can be disastrous as can be seen by this news article. Who's to blame ? We, for wanting to see dramatic news ? Or the media, for showing such news in the first place ?

And on a related note:

Media has a huge influence on the audience. A well controlled media can influence the thoughts of the audience in whatever way it wants to. Almost every newspaper or News channel has political connections and most of the news gets filtered through the appropriate political lens before being passed down to the audience. Is unbiased news reporting ever going to be a reality ?

I blame the kids for hanging themselves.

I'd blame the parents first, the kid second. In that order, certainly not anything else. But yeah, I'm sick of this pussy liberal bullshit about too much violence etc. and placing limits/controls on other things that really aren't their buisness. Stop blamming everything under the sun but yourself. Take some fucking responsibility for your children, or don't have any. Simple choice really. People need to learn how to effectively discipline their children, not bitch about everything else.

Thats what they get for mocking The Great Saddam.

Crosspost... I invoke you!!!

Different thread, similar point, same post The bit concering your questions is in the end

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Originally posted by Frenchie Stupid people deserve stupid things like this.

Please, don't ever blame this on stupidity.

First of all, this is a known phenomenom in sociology, and similar to one of the main reasons why suicides are hardly ever reported (i.e. the Werther effect). Sure, this case is somewhat different, but the fact that Saddam accepted his death might be one reason why it could be seen as suicide-like by these boys.

Second, this has not anything to do with "cognition" and, therefore, any kind of stupidity. Otherwise, it would be hard to believe that one of the greatest geniuses of last century decided to end his life the way he did. Actually, most of these kids weren't even teens (and the only teen was just 13), a period through which we all experience for the first time emotional turmoils and social problems. As they're entering social life more consciously, so to speak, they don't necessarily have the social biases against suicide as part of their worldview.

Now that all doubts regarding stupidity and suicide might've been cleared, probably the most informative bit of the whole article was the following:

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"After watching Saddam's execution he was constantly asking 'How was Saddam killed?' and 'Did he suffer?'" Akti was quoted as saying.

Maybe the kid was planning on killing himself, and he just found out a way of doing it. As you can read in the essay written by Schopenhauer, films, and from life in general, there are many reasons why these kids might've chosen to end their lives in such manner. Specially because the images don't really show any kind of despair or gore (which would probably scare these kids), so it might seem "clean" and "trivial".

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Originally posted by dj_bas edit // Oh, the report talks about multiple cases. Way to go youth of the world!

This is not something that affects kids exclusively, you know?

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Originally posted by Omega_M Are the parents the only ones to be blamed ? Or is the media to be blamed for showing such graphic violence ?

Under ordinary circunstances, the media is advised not to report such events because of their social impact, so that's one to blame.

The parents could also fail to realised the child is depressed, although blaming the parents is not an easy thing to do in that case, given the fact that depression (and suicide) are frowned upon, and therefore the parents might find themselves in a state of denial until the child eventually decideds to take a more drastic measure.

As most things in life, there's no scapegoat, suicide is a long context-based process.

what about the unbiased news thingy ?

All these kids where aged 10-13 years old. I think 6 and 7 year olds understand the concept of death. I blame natural selection on their deaths.

God damn you natural selection, god damn you!

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Originally posted by Omega_M what about the unbiased news thingy ?

Oh, indeed, I missed that part in this thread

Anyway, quoting Nietzsche, "There are no facts, only interpretations" and, although this too is an interpretation, I'm sceptic about hearing any piece of unbiased info from a 3rd party. Not because of any conspiracy, but because the fact that to be interpreted before coming to me, and this interpretation is done against the interpreter's background.

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Originally posted by Lira Oh, indeed, I missed that part in this thread Anyway, quoting Nietzsche, "There are no facts, only interpretations" and, although this too is an interpretation, I'm sceptic about hearing any piece of unbiased info from a 3rd party. Not because of any conspiracy, but because the fact that to be interpreted before coming to me, and this interpretation is done against the interpreter's background.

I think a news article should simply be a report of an incident that has occurred in some part of the world. Agreed it is an interpretation of the reporter, but the interpretations that I speak of, are the ones which are conveniently made to suit the political agenda of the reporting agency. Distortion of facts is common in the media of all countries. Attempts to needlessly dramatize some news, deliberately misquote someone, report only those news which suit the agency are very common. Such tactics takes away the credibility of the reporting agencies and the people are largely deprived of the true picture.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I think a news article should simply be a report of an incident that has occurred in some part of the world.

I reckon the selection of relevant facts is a form of bias, even if you try to report it objectively.

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Originally posted by Omega_M Distortion of facts is common in the media of all countries. Attempts to needlessly dramatize some news, deliberately misquote someone, report only those news which suit the agency are very common. Such tactics takes away the credibility of the reporting agencies and the people are largely deprived of the true picture.

I've got to agree with you here. Just because I don't believe one can be completely objective, this extreme is just plain annoying.

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Originally posted by Lira I reckon the selection of relevant facts is a form of bias, even if you try to report it objectively.

I did already acknowledge that point.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I think a news article should simply be a report of an incident that has occurred in some part of the world. Agreed it is an interpretation of the reporter...

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Originally posted by Omega_M I did already acknowledge that point.

Oh, my bad then

Kids do the weirdest things, though I'm sort of hesitant as to 'guess' why 12-13year olds would be doing this kind of stuff because even though theyre not generally the brightest of bulbs, it is a patentedly stupid thing to do. Can't really blame the parents either too much, most of the time theyre wandering around worried the little mongrels arent getting into drugs, losing a limb on a pushbike jumping a creek or drowning in the same said creek.
Watching videos of someone being hung and they deciding theyre going to do that as well is one of the way out of left-field kind of things you wouldnt even consider as a threat, though they shouldnt have been watching it in the first place.

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Originally posted by Lilith Kids do the weirdest things, though I'm sort of hesitant as to 'guess' why 12-13year olds would be doing this kind of stuff because even though theyre not generally the brightest of bulbs, it is a patentedly stupid thing to do. Can't really blame the parents either too much, most of the time theyre wandering around worried the little mongrels arent getting into drugs, losing a limb on a pushbike jumping a creek or drowning in the same said creek. Watching videos of someone being hung and they deciding theyre going to do that as well is one of the way out of left-field kind of things you wouldnt even consider as a threat, though they shouldnt have been watching it in the first place.

Well, my comment was more along the lines of, if there's anyone to blame, it's the parents/kid, not a broadcast of the hanging. Or perhaps the kid just mucked up and made an incredibly stupid mistake.

Obviously they weren't needed in the gene pool...

Hah, kind of hard to notch it up to a 'life learning experience' like poking bitey animals with sticks, starting fires or falling off a skateboard a few times. There where a fair few kids that did it as well, so I suspect it was more of a deliberate thing than a any kind of accident.
Bit hard to blame anyone or anything really if that was all it took to do it.

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Originally posted by Lilith Hah, kind of hard to notch it up to a 'life learning experience' like poking bitey animals with sticks, starting fires or falling off a skateboard a few times. There where a fair few kids that did it as well, so I suspect it was more of a deliberate thing than a any kind of accident. Bit hard to blame anyone or anything really if that was all it took to do it.

I think they should have noticed him (Saddam) die at the end. Otherwise they have very poor observational skills. Since when was a noose a toy? Well, to elaborate, I'm just sick of people, especially parents, always blaming something else other than themselves and expecting the goverment to babysit them, or this annoyingly prevelant concept of entitlement (that we have atleast here in the US).

Thought most of the kids that did it where in North Africa and the middle east. But yes, western parents do have a problem with blaming anything and everything for their kids doing stupid crap.
My personal favorite blame is video games cause school shootings
2nd dumb blame would be music caused their kids to worship satan or take drugs.
3rd would probably be the 'blame' TV for making their kids do something daft like pokeymons or whatever.

Heres a hint!
Be a parent and not rely on the media as a babysitter!

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Originally posted by Lilith Thought most of the kids that did it where in North Africa and the middle east. But yes, western parents do have a problem with blaming anything and everything for their kids doing stupid crap. My personal favorite blame is video games cause school shootings 2nd dumb blame would be music caused their kids to worship satan or take drugs. 3rd would probably be the 'blame' TV for making their kids do something daft like pokeymons or whatever. Heres a hint! Be a parent and not rely on the media as a babysitter!

Word. But most people are too obsessed with their own personal lives to give a rats ass about anything else (usually money, toys, trinkets, partying, compensating for their lack of self-esteem/seeking approval/validation, and getting layed/cheating), which ofcourse is their fault.

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Originally posted by Lilith Thought most of the kids that did it where in North Africa and the middle east. But yes, western parents do have a problem with blaming anything and everything for their kids doing stupid crap. My personal favorite blame is video games cause school shootings 2nd dumb blame would be music caused their kids to worship satan or take drugs. 3rd would probably be the 'blame' TV for making their kids do something daft like pokeymons or whatever. Heres a hint! Be a parent and not rely on the media as a babysitter!

Preach on man!

And don't worry shaolin, the entitlement disease lives well over here too...

In fact, while I was at the gym today, I was overhearing what 'should' have been a conversation but I couldn't believe the attitude of this one girl towards her trainer!
Telling him to shut up, speaking over him during the debate, treating him like he was some idiot.
I have no idea why he put up with it; personally I would have told her to shove her money back into her belly rolls...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Preach on man! And don't worry shaolin, the entitlement disease lives well over here too... In fact, while I was at the gym today, I was overhearing what 'should' have been a conversation but I couldn't believe the attitude of this one girl towards her trainer! Telling him to shut up, speaking over him during the debate, treating him like he was some idiot. I have no idea why he put up with it; personally I would have told her to shove her money back into her belly rolls...

What a bitch.

EDIT: No double standard here. I call men out on being pigs/dogs, when they act like it.

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Originally posted by Lilith it is a patentedly stupid thing to do.

Why? Wouldn't that mean these people were all stupid?

Given their achievments, it's hard to believe it... :/

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Originally posted by Lira Why? Wouldn't that mean these people were all stupid? Given their achievments, it's hard to believe it... :/

I don't see much of an indication of the kids being suicidal (due to depression). :/

EDIT: You want your old job back Lira? * hint, hint *

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I don't see much of an indication of the kids being suicidal (due to depression). :/

Well, take Alisen Akti's questions as an indication that the kid did want to die. Why exactly do you think he would've wanted to know about death and suffering, days before his own death?

It's often a defence mechanism to just consider them all "stupid" and ignore all the other possibilites behind a suicide. It surprised me, in the other thread, that they were suddenly labelled as being deprived of any intelligence, even though the article says nothing about it

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: You want your old job back Lira? * hint, hint *

I'd like to help, but I take long breaks way too often, reason why I ended up stepping down

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