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Long rant. Job related. Need to vent.

So I've worked for my company as an independent agent for the last 3 1/2 years on and off as an independent agent more so lately than ever before, and I got a temporary cross promotion as the recruiter for the London office. Now recruiters are on the head office pay roll, and get benefits and all that jazz.

Up until today I was really happy with the way everything was going, and was planning to move to London within the next month. I was thinking this is going to be great, I'll have deals coming in and my salary from my recruiting job and things are going to work out awesome, I'll be able to get a nice place with my girlfriend Britt, and save up some money too.

Well today this lady from head office calls me and is like I need you to fill out these forms. I didn't have my SIN card here, but I knew they had it on file in my independent agent file. I had spoken with the head of recruiting in Ottawa earlier this week, and the national who is based out of Kitchener who was my boss before, and our regional here in London, and none of them have ever made any reference to there being ANY problem with me both writing deals to help jump start the London office and make some extra cash on the side, and help build up points for the next trip(I just qualified for the last trip which is to Jamaica in April which is when I would be resigning as recruiter and a new girl would start in my position... the whole me quitting in April is an arrangement that my regional and I had from the beginning)

So any ways I call this lady at head office about my SIN number, and she's like "oh you're an agent too? Oh yeah I'm going to have to talk to some one about that before I can send you the papers"

Then I start having a bit of a trip out, because this could potentially because like a 1/3 of my expected income.

She calls back and says that I'm going to have to make a choice as to what I want to do. Either take the recruiting job and resign as an agent, or the other way around, because there is conflict of interest, because apparently I get info as a recruiter that agents aren�t supposed to have. In my whole time here, there has never been one thing that I have seen the recruiter get that agents aren�t allowed to know other than compliance about other agents and weekly numbers... Like that would affect me writing deals. How the fuck would me knowing that Joe Fuckwad got a complaint against them, or that the company wrote X amount of deals in the last week effect how/why/when/how many deals I write.

Now, that said, of course I want the recruiting job. Especially now that its winter. On the flip side of that if I resign, I lose my fucking trip to Jamaica which I've been excited for four months, and worked hard to get.

I'm so livid right now; I don't know what to do with myself. I seriously want to kick myself really hard in the ass for not calling someone else about my SIN number. If I hadn't called that bitch back, she would have never known and it would have been fine.

I called our liaison at head office, before she called back the second time, and he said he doesn't know what�s going to go on but that as far as he knows it would be conflict of interest, even if I'm writing under a different office, and handing in deals in a different office, but that he's heard of it being worked around before. However I highly doubt that now that she's gone and talked to the VP of marketing that we're going to be able to work around anything.

Fuck.

that is fucking bullshit.

i do somewhat of similar work. i am an agent and a trainer. when not doing hiring and training i go out and make sales. more cash for the company and ofcourse more cash for me.

the company shud not have a problem with this because you are making them money. i do not understand how it can be confilct of interest. if u r recruiting in london and doing sales in london then why does it matter to this lady or anyone else.

i dont get it.

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves that is fucking bullshit. i do somewhat of similar work. i am an agent and a trainer. when not doing hiring and training i go out and make sales. more cash for the company and ofcourse more cash for me. the company shud not have a problem with this because you are making them money. i do not understand how it can be confilct of interest. if u r recruiting in london and doing sales in london then why does it matter to this lady or anyone else. i dont get it.

Not only that but it helps me when I'm recruiting, because I'm up to date on whats going on and who we are looking for and stuff. I don't know, the head of recruiting is on a mission to fuck shit up LOL. she's pissed because she also thinks that me being an active agent helps the recruiting process and office stats and all that.

You need a blog.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You need a blog.

she's on purerave and has a blog.

lopi needs to be loved.

Re: Long rant. Job related. Need to vent.

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Originally posted by lopi Fuck.

Ok, I tried to understand what's going on.

Could you not go to Jamaica another time?

OR

Could you not resign and re-apply to this same place again?

:/

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You need a blog.

I have one on PR, but I needed to vent, and get feedback from people who arn't 16 and have their heads in the clouds about boys, tits, weed, drugs, and happy hardcore.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope she's on purerave and has a blog. lopi needs to be loved.

Thnx Mona. Although you should be careful... Someone might figure out that you're actually a nice person off the boards.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope Ok, I tried to understand what's going on. Could you not go to Jamaica another time? OR Could you not resign and re-apply to this same place again? :/

Its a company trip for agents right? you get points per deal you hand in. They send you on 3 paid vacations a year, if you qualify for them, so you have to hand in a certain number of deals in to make the trip. This one coming up is to Jamaica, and the company is sending a huge chunk of agents and paying for them to stay at Ocho Rios Resort.

If I resign I resign my trip too.

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Originally posted by lopi Not only that but it helps me when I'm recruiting, because I'm up to date on whats going on and who we are looking for and stuff. I don't know, the head of recruiting is on a mission to fuck shit up LOL. she's pissed because she also thinks that me being an active agent helps the recruiting process and office stats and all that.

YES>

but in the big picture who is getting the most gain from this?
the company. what do they care if the recruiter makes the sale or the sale comes from the people recruited. i mean if u r making sales u r setting example for people u r training.

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quitting and re applying is not a good idea. will loose seniority and everything by quitting. and if u quit why re apply? might as well go work somewhere else.

Ok. Exactly what do you do Jenn?

And stop grinding that axe. You might hurt someone with it

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Originally posted by lopi Thnx Mona. Although you should be careful... Someone might figure out that you're actually a nice person off the boards.

shhhh.

Sorry, I couldn't help. :/

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Originally posted by Misanthrope shhhh. Sorry, I couldn't help. :/

You did hun.
Thank you.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ok. Exactly what do you do Jenn? And stop grinding that axe. You might hurt someone with it

I work for a Gas/Hydro marketing company.

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Originally posted by lopi I work for a Gas/Hydro marketing company.

that goes door to door?

I sympathize...but am not surprised.

Think about it from the employer standpoint...do you want an employee who is focused on their role or one who is juggling two positions (and potentially neglecting one in favour of the other, for whatever reason)?

what sucks in this case is that apparently no one bothered to tell you this ahead of time and possibly even implied that you could carry on doing both

When my previous employer (a previously largest computer (red) manufacturer in the world), merged with another large blue manufacturer, our contract employees who used to be treated as equals with my previous company, ended up treated as second-class employees, not able to benefot and attend employee parties, functions, etc... any more. The policy got strict because of what happened at Microshaft when (as some may have read in the papers a few years ago) got a class action lawsuit from contract employees who have worked there for many years ended up laid off without severence, unlike full-time employees who got comfy packages. They sued, and won on the grounds that if they are treated like full employees, they must get all rights and benefits of full employees.

The above caused a ripple in the industry and companies need to watch their asses now, and make clear distictions.

If it's really not distinct in your case, you have a precedent.

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves that goes door to door?

Yeah thats where I started out, but like I said, I've been there a while off and on. In the last while I was on the renewal crew which wasn't door to door, it was seeing specific people, and was a the trainer for new people for that crew. I was one of the top writers and hold the highest day for the Kitchener office, and fell 2 deals short of hitting what our national distributor's best day is. So it's not like I'm some yahoo that comes and goes.

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Originally posted by MarkT I sympathize...but am not surprised. Think about it from the employer standpoint...do you want an employee who is focused on their role or one who is juggling two positions (and potentially neglecting one in favour of the other, for whatever reason)? what sucks in this case is that apparently no one bothered to tell you this ahead of time and possibly even implied that you could carry on doing both

From the employers stand point, they know I wouldn't be "juggling" 2 positions. They know that the recruiting position would be held in priority no matter what, and that I would be working renewals on the side, like I did before when I had other jobs outside of the company. I only did renewals full time for a short while, and seeing as how I get off work at 4:30 I get time between each job and then hit peak hours for renewals. So it's not like I haven't done it before, and most of them know that, just not from a head office point of view, whose opinion on whether or not I am capable of doing it IMO isn't even important, because they aren't my manager, or regional, and they aren't affected by the numbers I write in the least.

aww shit hun :\ sorry to hear that such a fuck up happened

is there any way any of the head people you know well can work this out for you?

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Originally posted by lopi Yeah thats where I started out, but like I said, I've been there a while off and on. In the last while I was on the renewal crew which wasn't door to door, it was seeing specific people, and was a the trainer for new people for that crew. I was one of the top writers and hold the highest day for the Kitchener office, and fell 2 deals short of hitting what our national distributor's best day is. So it's not like I'm some yahoo that comes and goes.

seems like you are able to back your shit up.
this is my suggestion.

Prepare a letter directed to the highest power in your company. out line the concern you have the numbers you have put up and what your intentions are for future. make it seem like you care (which i am sure you do otherwise there wont be this thread). request a meeting with them to further discuss the situation. and see how it goes from there.

in these kind of situations it is very easy to come across as a arrogant over confident SOB. so be careful about your wording of the letter and what you say personally. also dont let this be a reason that will show any signs of low productivity at work nor let it become a big deal while it is being looked after.

cheers to you and hopefully it will all work out for the best

If your trip to Jamaica is the only reason your hesitant to resign from your position as an agent, don't think twice about it and just take the recruiter position.

It will probably be difficult since you seem to have worked hard to get that perk but its only a short term disappointment that you will probably forget about once you take up the promotion and start making more moolah and having a better and more authoritative position.

On the other hand, if you stick around being an agent, you might not be happy with it once you come back from your vacation. Think about it as a situation where someone is giving you a choice of "Do you want 50 bucks right now or 500 in a year? "

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