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Look out for the helmet police again

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Call for mandatory toboggan helmets Ashley Tonkens, National Post Published: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 Two city councillors from suburban Toronto say it may be time to make helmets mandatory for tobogganers, after the winter activity resulted in the deaths of two Canadian children this month. "I would support any helmets, any type of safety equipment that could be put on. I think that it's something we need to look into and legislate," said Sandra Yeung Racco, a city councillor in Vaughan. "You may see in the next little while I may just bring it to the table." Tobogganing accidents have killed at least seven people in Canada since 2003, including two this month. On Sunday, an eight-year-old Quebec girl died when her sled hit a tree in St-Michel-Des-Saints, north of Montreal. On Jan. 7, a 12-year-old boy from Gilbert Plains, Man., was killed after hitting his head on a patch of ice while tobogganing with his older brother. No laws in Canada regulate toboggan safety. "If it's going to save a child from permanent injury or death,'' Councillor Mario Ferri of York Region said of mandatory helmets, "it would make sense to me that there should be some provisions for that." Tobogganing caused 502 head injuries in Ontario between 2004 and 2005, according to the Ontario Injury Prevention Resource Centre. Between 2004 and 2005, there were 1,731 visits to Ontario emergency rooms for tobogganing injuries, and 108 of those visits resulted in hospitalizations. ''A significant number of those injuries are head injuries that could be lessened or perhaps entirely prevented by helmet use," said Dr. Patrick Mc Donald, a pediatric neurosurgeon at Winnipeg Children's Hospital. ''What little studies there are out there suggest that helmet use is only about 3% in people who toboggan.'' Toronto physicians Jackie and Aman Coonar said they make their children wear helmets any time they toboggan. They had never gone sledding before they recently moved to Canada from England. "We're both doctors, and I guess we're kind of aware of the potential dangers of head injury and neck injury," she said. "The speeds are so fast with the children that I'm sure serious head injuries can occur." In 2005, three people died while sledding: an 18-year-old man in Kingston and a 12-yearold Gatineau, Que., boy died in collisions with trees, while a seven- year-old Regina boy died after he was struck by a car. In 2003, a nine-year-old girl in Montreal and a 10-year-old boy in St. John's were killed after being struck by cars while tobogganing. The most recent tobogganing death in Toronto occurred in 1992, when an 11-year-old boy was thrown from his toboggan. "People haven't really taken sledding and tobogganing as a real sport because it's really a leisure thing ... we just haven't put enough importance in that activity," Ms. Yeung Racco said. Many municipalities have started installing barriers of hay on trees and other obstacles on popular hills, but say helmet legislation would be too difficult to enforce. "Wherever there's a hill, there's somebody with a toboggan going down," said Tony Rossi, manager of risk management for Mississauga. Toronto Councillor Paula Fletcher, who chairs the city's Parks Committee, said: "I think it would be impossible to regulate. The sled police would have a very hard time.'' Ms. Fletcher said skateboarding and skiing are even more dangerous because people perform tricks and jumps, but there is no helmet legislation for either of those sports. ''We could look at skiing and the injuries that came in that way, where you are going very, very fast. I guess next would be, 'Should you be wearing a helmet when you're skiing?' and I think that people who ski would have strong opinions about that." But Dr. Coonar said that tobogganing can be just as dangerous. "It's recommended that you have helmets for cycling and for skiing and snowboarding, and I think the speeds with tobogganing can be as fast," she said. "I think it's important to be aware of the fact that it's actually a potentially dangerous sport." Mr. Ferri said legislation would be useful -- he suggested the province should look at it --even if it could not be properly enforced. "Our objective is to make safety a priority in everything we do," he said. "Even if not everybody abides by the law, even if 20% or 30% do, then you reduce the risk by that much." Dr. McDonald said many parents concerned with helmet safety wonder what type of helmet is best suited for tobogganing. He recommended skiing or snowboarding helmets, because they are designed to withstand more than one impact.

I'm sick and tired of someone trying to pass a mandatory helmet law for anything that happens to everyone.

I don't find it fair to regulate 99.9999% of the population, for what happens to that .0001%.

We're this much closer for all of society to wear helmets each time we step out of the house. Why not? There are more pedestrians killed each year in winter than tobogganers? There are more skiiers dying each year without wearing a helmet. Where's the fuss?

Polititans are too quick to jump at remote yet dramatic causes for the purpose of setting their name in history and political BS.

Common sense is about to be a thing of the past.

While in essence I agree with you, I think you may be over-reacting. It was stated in the article alone that it would be impossible to control, and that there would be very little that could be done to ensure everyone abides by the law. If anything, there may just be an official "helmets recommended" statement.

The stir is a little obvious, considering that those statements speak of children dying; not sure what surprises you here, obviously someone would raise a stink over something like that.

lame, i dont wear helmets for nothing...even for snowboarding....altho i should in that case.....

but helmets for toboganning....thats plain retarded!

helmets to go clubbing next? im sure that'll be quite attractive !

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Originally posted by devnull helmets to go clubbing next? im sure that'll be quite attractive !

I think it's a great idea. People can G out freely without having to worry about nasty head injuries.

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Originally posted by devnull lame, i dont wear helmets for nothing

So you wear them for everything? Thats kinda silly to wear a helmet 24/7.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict So you wear them for everything? Thats kinda silly to wear a helmet 24/7.

I guess the important thing is that you TRIED to be funny.

Maybe next time.

On topic: Preventing injuries while tobogganing is the parent's job, and not that hard imo. Just make sure where your kid is tobogganing has no trees or big rocks in the way, and that should prevent like 99% of injuries. Of course, that's under my assumption the bruises are a lesson in dealing with pain, and not worthy of a trip to the hospital.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I guess the important thing is that you TRIED to be funny. Maybe next time.

Asshole!

I think a caller I heard this morning on the radio had the right idea. Rather then helmets, which would only protect children's heads, let's bubble wrap the trees... that way they are fully protected as are the animals and any thing/one else that may happen to strike a tree in any manner. We should also consider lining the sidewalks and roads with styrofoam peanuts.

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Originally posted by zokissima While in essence I agree with you, I think you may be over-reacting. It was stated in the article alone that it would be impossible to control, and that there would be very little that could be done to ensure everyone abides by the law. If anything, there may just be an official "helmets recommended" statement.

I've been through this twice before, so I don't feel I'm overreacting.

Before helmet laws came into place, it was intended for ALL bike riders to wear helments manditorily, not just 16 and under.

In many regions, because of one unfoirtunate accident, all public ranch horseback riders had to wear a helmet, that too got scaled back to youths only.

Are we going to make safety laws after every tragic accident that only happens to a few?

Common sense people. Our government should not be hovering over us like that. I endured enough of that living with the 'rents.

I say it be up to the person...if they want to wear a helmet where one...but if you don't, you don't.

Yet more wasted tax dollars. Yeah! Why not make it mandatory that no games or activities be allowed that might cause a child to die. That a lifeless world that would be. I say if you think you should wear a helmet all day long go ahead.

meh...whatever...though I agree that this is a knee-jerk reaction, particularly given the examples given concerning skiiers, pedestrians, etc.

as long as they don't formally allocate any police resources to active enforcement, then they can implement whatever bylaw they want on this issue.

like a ton of other bylaws, the goal is public awareness more than enforcement.

technically cyclists have to have a bell or horn, proper lights, etc. etc. but how many people are *actually* ticketed? ditto for idling bylaws...littering...and countless other things, I'm sure.

they'd better not spend a *dime* on cops actually patrolling toboggan areas...and stick with a fine for parents whose kids ARE injured w/o a helmet. Awareness > active enforcement.

F**K THA POLICE!!!

Helmet cops

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Common sense people. Our government should not be hovering over us like that. I endured enough of that living with the 'rents.

Finally.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I think a caller I heard this morning on the radio had the right idea. Rather then helmets, which would only protect children's heads, let's bubble wrap the trees... that way they are fully protected as are the animals and any thing/one else that may happen to strike a tree in any manner. We should also consider lining the sidewalks and roads with styrofoam peanuts.

Awesome!

Welcome to the nanny state where we protect you from yourselves!

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Originally posted by Misanthrope Finally.

Yeah, I hear that all the time.

JayX1 enters thread in.......



(hey, where is he these days anyways?)

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Originally posted by tatgirl JayX1 enters thread in....... (hey, where is he these days anyways?)

He left ta for a while, but came back again for one thread.
I think the ****** is just busy.

I shall pester him for his TRIUMPHANT return.

Ok fine, I'll confess the truth.
Jaxy1 didn't like the radio hypocrispy, when it came down to supporting local talent.

You know how radio politics are on this forum. Certain threads can stay, others can't. It's pretty sad really.

Come back Jay!!!!

Getty Lee is concerned about our toboggan safety;

I think this is a pretty good idea.... i've seen some pretty serious wipe-outs while toboganing...

why.... just this past week ( wednesday) i went sledding with some friends down here in windsor and i bruised my tailbone very badly.... thankfully my head didn't hit the ice rock that my back did... i def would have needed a hospital visit if that were the case!

A 3-yr old got injured this weekend, with a wall at the end of the slope, and there was CLEARLY a sign warning of the danger.

Yet this kid's parent brought the child there anyways.

It's not the kids that need helmets, it's the parents that need dunce caps.

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