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2007 ::State Of The Union::...Your Thoughts?

Use this handy dandy thread to write about your perspectives on [1/23/2007] President Bush's State of the Union.

I approved

Iraq. If he can somehow get a good solution out of it within the next two years will judge how his presidency went down.

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Originally posted by Krypton I approved Iraq. If he can somehow get a good solution out of it within the next two years will judge how his presidency went down.

w3rd!

that's my Bush

i loved how the Donkey party remained seated when he pledged no taxes but got up for cutting the defict in half 3 years ahead of schedule, as if they had something to do with it.

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Originally said by Bush This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we are in. Every one of us wishes that this war were over and won. Yet it would not be like us to leave our promises unkept, our friends abandoned, and our own security at risk. Ladies and gentlemen: On this day, at this hour, it is still within our power to shape the outcome of this battle. So let us find our resolve, and turn events toward victory.

every one stood up except the Democrat side of the chamber. awesome!

Fortunately I was taking a nice nap.

^^ Haha!

he sounded, as usual, like he didn't understand half the words and ideas he was using.

and he looks like a meth addict.

Dunno if he was into the meth, boys like him at college where more into blow and booze

(Think it shows too!)

The Democrats should have clapped all the time, at everything he said. They should agree with the President on everything, because everything the President says is the truth and will benefit everyone. I was disapointed that the Democrats, like that "San Francisco Socialist" Nancy Pelosi, weren't clapping and standing when the President had some really good ideas! She was just making faces..grimacing...like Al Gore back in the 2000 elections!

And yeah..the Democrats want the terrorists to win! George W. Bush is the greatest President ever!, no wonder everyone wanted his autograph!

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Originally posted by Spirit5 She was just making faces..grimacing...like Al Gore back in the 2000 elections!

Probably gurning on some bad E maybe? Old, Al G... now theres a man who's into some wild gear at times, probably not loaded with as much as Bush but theres a couple of Gore-isms out there which just make you wonder...

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Originally posted by Lilith Probably gurning on some bad E maybe? Old, Al G... now theres a man who's into some wild gear at times, probably not loaded with as much as Bush but theres a couple of Gore-isms out there which just make you wonder...

Haha I was being sarcastic in my post. Everything is sarcasm...what people use against them and the pundits are bound to use the faces that Pelosi made and some of the other Democrats in the audience..and the fact that they weren't standing or clapping the whole time. It would seem weird clapping for things you truly don't agree with. At points she clapped just to be polite, but clearly you could tell where she stood by her mannerisms and the amount of applause and standing up. I'm a Democrat, I just like being sarcastic when it comes to politics...like Steven Colbert in a sense haha. I will admit though, I'm not the biggest Gore fan, or Kerry fan for that matter, though I voted for him, and probably would have voted for Gore in 2000 if I was old enough. No reason to support Bush, who've I have dispised, even before he was elected, selected..whatever in 2000.

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Originally posted by Q5echo that's my Bush i loved how the Donkey party remained seated when he pledged no taxes but got up for cutting the defict in half 3 years ahead of schedule, as if they had something to do with it.

Borrowing the fuck out of the world does not help us get to that supposed end goal any better. Someone needs to cut up your GOP's credit card, and hopefully the Dems will do just that.

BTW, just because Bush says something will occur does not entail it will indeed occur. In fact, this tends to happen quite often for Jr.

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quote: Originally said by Bush This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we are in. Every one of us wishes that this war were over and won. Yet it would not be like us to leave our promises unkept, our friends abandoned, and our own security at risk. Ladies and gentlemen: On this day, at this hour, it is still within our power to shape the outcome of this battle. So let us find our resolve, and turn events toward victory. every one stood up except the Democrat side of the chamber. awesome!

I think Jim Webb who knows a little bit about war as does his son responded appropriately to that:

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We owed them our loyalty, as Americans, and we gave it. But they owed us - sound judgment, clear thinking, concern for our welfare, a guarantee that the threat to our country was equal to the price we might be called upon to pay in defending it. The President took us into this war recklessly. He disregarded warnings from the national security adviser during the first Gulf War, the chief of staff of the army, two former commanding generals of the Central Command, whose jurisdiction includes Iraq, the director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many, many others with great integrity and long experience in national security affairs. We are now, as a nation, held hostage to the predictable - and predicted - disarray that has followed. The war's costs to our nation have been staggering. Financially. The damage to our reputation around the world. The lost opportunities to defeat the forces of international terrorism. And especially the precious blood of our citizens who have stepped forward to serve. The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military. We need a new direction. Not one step back from the war against international terrorism. Not a precipitous withdrawal that ignores the possibility of further chaos. But an immediate shift toward strong regionally-based diplomacy, a policy that takes our soldiers off the streets of Iraq's cities, and a formula that will in short order allow our combat forces to leave Iraq.

His ending was also quite eloguent:

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As I look at Iraq, I recall the words of former general and soon-to-be President Dwight Eisenhower during the dark days of the Korean War, which had fallen into a bloody stalemate. "When comes the end?" asked the General who had commanded our forces in Europe during World War Two. And as soon as he became President, he brought the Korean War to an end. These Presidents took the right kind of action, for the benefit of the American people and for the health of our relations around the world. Tonight we are calling on this President to take similar action, in both areas. If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way.

Honestly I thought his speech was a sleeper, as did most of the media (save the Faux News bootlickers). But what can you expect from a wounded, laim duck?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Someone needs to cut up your GOP's credit card, and hopefully the Dems will do just that.

so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok.

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But what can you expect from a wounded, laim duck?

to do everything in his power to achieve. thats what i expect.


this is not your war Opus. don't let Webb pretend it is for you.

No it's not Opus's or Jim Webb's war..that's true. It's Bush's war...and a few Republicans who still support it. The Dems want a balanced budget, like Clinton had in the 1990s. And this is what Bush mentioned, but he wont even be in office to truly see it accomplished and it was just another talking point among many. If anything to achieve it, he will work with the Republicans to cut funding to a lot of services and programs, many that include health care (medicare, medicaid), education (except No Child Left Behind, though it's hardly funded anyways), and possibly other areas in which people rely on, who knows. Definitely not raising taxes.

So it's up to you..if you'd rather have various services provided and pay slightly higher taxes, or have programs and services cut. Since your obviously a Conservative Republican(I read a lot of threads on here) you would support the cutting of services and programs vs. a slight tax increases, esp on the upper class/wealthy. There's nothing wrong with you thinking that, you can believe what you want. However, MisterOpus and I, and I am sure some others on here...wouldn't agree.

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Originally posted by Q5echo so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok.

Well considering the last President preceeding Bush understood the concept of balancing the budget, and did it rather well with a budget surplus, and considering the record of economies being consistently better under Democratic Presidents, yeah, I'm happy as a clam to put my faith in the Dems.

What, you want me to put my faith in you fucking Republicans who put us in this fucking hole in the first place, and a president who's NEVER ONCE proposed a balance budget every year, NEVER ONCE vetoed a spending bill created by the GOP Congress with all the pork to go with it, and has the record of having the BIGGEST government ever?

Gosh, how silly of me to want to trust someone else with my country's money?

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to do everything in his power to achieve. thats what i expect.

Ahh yes, his record on this war has clearly shown that thus far. Damn my blindness.

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this is not your war Opus. don't let Webb pretend it is for you.

Did Powerline come up with that cute little line for you to use, Q? Really, do you have any sense as to what on earth you are fucking talking about?

Of course this is my war, dumbass. This is EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN'S war. This assclown of a president put us in this debacle, and he put us ALL in it. Not just the military and their loved one, asshole.

But then again, considering he refuses to ask anyone to enlist to help fight his cause at a time when our military officials state that our armed forces are being stretched to the point of breaking, I guess I can see where the confusion lies, but I digress.

This is ALL of our war.

This is MY security at stake while we divert so much resources away from the rest of the war on terror (you know, that whole bin Laden thingy? Remember that?),

MY fucking taxdollars being spent,

MY fucking country's integrity with the rest of the world,

MY fucking friends who's loved ones are being sent away AGAIN AND AGAIN with fucking PTSD, anxiety, and a slew of other psychologic problems but the fucking military gives two shits about that and sends them anyway,

And will soon be MY fucking job ordering prosthetic limbs and rehabing veterans who've come back fighting bravely in that war.

So do us all a fucking favor for once and stop talking out of your ass, just this once, Q.

That's true too, it is all of our war that we have had to sacrifice for...pay for. However, it is the war that Bush chose, it's not the war that was needed..was neccessary. It was a war of choice. It wasn't the true war, our war, the War on Terror. It's added to the War on Terror, by creating more terrorists. And this is what the supporters of it fail to realize. The whole "fighting them over there so they don't have to fight them here" is a load of BS, cause you can fight them abroad all you want, but they are still capable of attacking us while our resources are being put over there.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Well considering the last President preceeding Bush understood the concept of balancing the budget, and did it rather well with a budget surplus

That's not entirely true if you look at the real numbers, but according to "Washington numbers" it was the case. For some reason numbers in Washington are much different for who ever is in charge than they are for the rest of us. Allan Sloan broke this down while Clinton was still in office, and talked about it again not too long ago in a Newsweek article that I can't find now while he was blasting Bush for doing something stupid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...es/op051397.htm

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Originally posted by WM2 That's not entirely true if you look at the real numbers, but according to "Washington numbers" it was the case. For some reason numbers in Washington are much different for who ever is in charge than they are for the rest of us. Allan Sloan broke this down while Clinton was still in office, and talked about it again not too long ago in a Newsweek article that I can't find now while he was blasting Bush for doing something stupid. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...es/op051397.htm

Even if that's the case, was it still not comparably better?

I LOVED the speech, I mean, it was the greatest speeach i'v ever heard/ you guys should learn tow to enjoy this speech for next years speech

HOW TO ENJOY THE STATE OF THE UNION

i'm gonaa have a ****** of a hangover tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Rhuckus I LOVED the speech, I mean, it was the greatest speeach i'v ever heard/ you guys should learn tow to enjoy this speech for next years speech HOW TO ENJOY THE STATE OF THE UNION i'm gonaa have a ****** of a hangover tomorrow.

A few of my buds were playing this, OMG they were toast. I had to go to work, but got many a Drunk Dial.

terror (however it�s pronounced) small 1

Thats kind of lucky in a way, you'd be cut in the first 3 minutes
Probably not as much as if you had to take a mouthfull everytime at a press conferance he said 'um', then you'd be getting your stomach pumped at 5 minute intervals.
('Um' is a pet hate, it denotes poor breeding and slowness of mind)

"Don't mess with Texas!"
Locate the nearest Texan; mess with him/her; then drink



the First Lady 1

Think thats almost a drink until blind call there isnt it?

Ted Kennedy drink until your liver cries

rofl!

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Originally posted by Q5echo so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok.

No, let's give it back to the GOP. The had wonderful spending practices. You still have faith in them, regardless of their track record?

Thought it looked stupid with all people applauding him after one stupid thing after another

After you are bankrupt by spending all your Political Capital and expired your Mandate according to his spokesmen after the 2004 elections that they claimed to have, you then come to congress preaching bipartisanship after years of a Republican president, a Republican congress where none of those aforementioned concepts in that tripe of a speech had any traction. I say he can migrate his lame duck behind into further oblivion.

I am wondering how many Republican supporters would have accepted what has happened to this nation had a Democratic President pursued such an ill informed path as Iraq. Rest assured the lines wouldn't be cut and run and freedom and democracy for Iraqis. As a fomrer Republican supporter I should know. This once balanced and substantive party has become entrapped in its own filth domestically and well Iraq speaks for itself.

Keep on fighting the good fight in your mind Mr. Bush, the American people may have not voted for failure in the Iraq war but then yet again do you even know what they voted for, because your Vice President certainly doesn't seem to care, just another reason the bums got thrown out of Congress. 08' is closer than we may believe. That is what I think of the State of the Union.

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Originally posted by Q5echo so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok. to do everything in his power to achieve. thats what i expect.

Q5 that sounds like a whole lot of desperation to me, very telling from the cocky and confrontational years earlier when NeoCons made the rounds extolling the virtues of removing saddams flying drones, chemical factories and Soviet arsenal collection of nukes, but why let that get in the way of the facts of being welcomed as liberators, not encountering any drawn out conflicts in Iraq and bringing democracy to the Mideast. Have no worry though Q5 since the Dems won't stand up in totallity for fear of being labelled traitors by the Republicans in 08'. Wonder how long it wil take to bring that democracy to Iraqis, at this rate U.S. will be in Iraq for a very long time. Remember "we can't afford to lose" Can you define intractable.

As for spending practices sorry to inform you but hypocrites are in no position to comment on that, seeing what a stellar responsibility has been demonstrated by this administration on that issue. We all know its the entitlements that are the issue for our soaring deficit, gotta get rid of it and all will be kosher on that issue

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