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Hamas, Fatah gunmen battle in Gaza Associated Press Gaza City, Gaza Strip � Hamas and Fatah gunmen battled each other in the streets Sunday, having sent civilians fleeing from their homes in an increasingly bloody power struggle that left more than two dozen Palestinians dead over the weekend. An explosion early in the morning rocked the Gaza City home of a bodyguard to Fatah strongman Mohammed Dahlan, but the guard was not in the building and no casualties were reported. At least eight people were wounded in exchanges of fire between the sides overnight, Palestinian security officials said. The latest round of fighting began late Thursday after a Hamas activist was killed in a bombing. By Saturday night, 25 Palestinians � including a 2-year-old and a 12-year-old � had been killed and at least 76 were wounded, bringing to a standstill fitful efforts to unite the two rival factions in a coalition government. A threat by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah to call early elections fuelled the tensions that provoked the violence. Related to this article Palestinian mourners carry the body of Bader Abu al-Garaya, 11, during his funeral in Gaza city on Sunday. Residents of areas where the fighting was fiercest left to take refuge with relatives, and bullet holes pocked many of the buildings there. Major roads in Gaza City were blocked by concrete barriers put up by security personnel loyal to both factions, causing traffic jams as drivers were forced on to alternate roads. Large security details loyal to both groups deployed at major street corners and outside potential targets, like the homes of Mr. Abbas and Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of the Islamic militant Hamas. Security also was reinforced around Palestinian media outlets, and two Gaza City universities were shuttered. Late Saturday night, a 12-year-old boy was killed and two people were wounded in northern Gaza during a shootout, witnesses and hospital officials said. The boy's father, Baher Abu El-Karaya, a local Fatah leader, was injured in the gunbattle. From his hospital bed, he told The Associated Press that Hamas gunmen attacked his home. In other violence, Hamas gunmen fired mortars at the Abbas-allied Preventive Security Service headquarters and at the home of the force's chief, Rashid Abu Shbak, officials said. Hamas and an Abbas spokesman appealed for calm on Saturday. In a clear jab at the moderate Abbas, Mr. Haniyeh criticized "troublemakers who are trying to veer away from the path of our people" by receiving "dirty American funding and arms." The White House is seeking some $85 million to help bolster security forces loyal to Abbas. Control over the security forces is a focal point of the factions' power struggle. Mr. Abbas claims authority over most of the 80,000 Palestinian security personnel, but Hamas controls the Interior Ministry, which is in charge of some of the security apparatuses, and operates its own separate force of 5,000, drawn from the group's military wing. The long-standing enmity between the two groups turned even deadlier after Hamas swept parliamentary elections in January 2006, ending four decades of Fatah rule. Some 60 people have died in Gaza since early December alone, following Mr. Abbas's pledge to call early elections if coalition talks between Hamas and Fatah fail. Mr. Abbas said last week he would move forward with his election plan if the coalition talks failed to produce results within three weeks. Hamas, which defeated Fatah in parliamentary elections last year, opposes a new vote. Mr. Abbas hopes that by forming a coalition government, he will be able to persuade Israel and the West to reinstate hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to the Palestinian government that they cut off to pressure Hamas to disarm and recognize Israel's right to exist. Both Fatah and Hamas officials said late Friday that unity talks would be suspended until the fighting ends. Mediators from two small factions, meanwhile, tried to win the release of hostages taken by the two sides. Late Saturday, seven Hamas activists and four Fatah members were freed in the southern town of Khan Younis, officials said.

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RIP youngin', a cruel world

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Originally posted by Dopey http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ernational/home RIP youngin', a cruel world

Israeli troops, instead of killing innocent Palestinian civilians, should instead concentrate on apprehending and arresting these criminals.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Israeli troops, instead of killing innocent Palestinian civilians, should instead concentrate on apprehending and arresting these criminals.

So even when Palestinians kill each other, it is the Jews that are at fault!

I'm actually beginning to think you would charge a Rabbi with hate crimes if he broke up a fight between two 7 year old Lebanese boys.

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Originally posted by Dopey So even when Palestinians kill each other, it is the Jews that are at fault! I'm actually beginning to think you would charge a Rabbi with hate crimes if he broke up a fight between two 7 year old Lebanese boys.

Alright then, I'll try your approach:

SHOW ME THE PROOF. I WANT THE BALISTICS REPORT, CSI style, I want the videotape as well.

Until then I dont believe you ';-)

Its a damn shame. Poor kid.

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very sad

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Alright then, I'll try your approach: SHOW ME THE PROOF. I WANT THE BALISTICS REPORT, CSI style, I want the videotape as well.

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Originally posted by Dopey http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ernational/home RIP youngin', a cruel world

I dont believe you.. show me the video... and the autopsy

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I dont believe you

I don't believe you

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I dont believe you.. show me the video... and the autopsy

Really?
Where were those questions for "Israeli Troops Kill 10-Year-Old Palestinian Girl"?

oh wait...

You just showed your true colours right there and I can't say anyone here is surprised...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? Where were those questions for "Israeli Troops Kill 10-Year-Old Palestinian Girl"? oh wait... You just showed your true colours right there and I can't say anyone here is surprised...

Actually, I think Cyrus was only having a bit too much fun along with me after I owned Dopey with that question. Dopey obviously didnt see it coming. He implied he would only believe IDF killed that girl if he saw the forensics report and/or video for that incident. So I got him back by asking the same question on this thread, knowing well that there was no such thing as videotape evidence or forensics reports for either of these incidents. Noone has the money for it, and noone really cares. People like Dopey just want the report done television style, CSI-style, to amuze them, entertain them, convince them, shock them - when they dont realize that the truth is actually lying right there in front of them, from countless witness testimonies, various media reports, and previous history in the coflict. Ignorance ... is bliss?????

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] Actually, I think Cyrus was only having a bit too much fun along with me after I owned Dopey with that question

Your e-penis is larger than mine!

Oh wait, Hamas pwned all you terrorist sympathizers by killing that 12 year old boy.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? Where were those questions for "Israeli Troops Kill 10-Year-Old Palestinian Girl"? oh wait... You just showed your true colours right there and I can't say anyone here is surprised...

LOL. Ever heard of sarcasm?

I'm glad we are all similarly outraged at the Palestinian politicians and the half century they have murdered, killed, and improvised their own people for their own silly selfish political objectives and absurd personal glorification here.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Israeli troops, instead of killing innocent Palestinian civilians, should instead concentrate on apprehending and arresting these criminals.

Actually, if you believe the news article terrorist killed this boy in their infighting... and guess who Israelis kill??
Yup, thats right! Terrorists!

You win the prize.

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Originally posted by Yoepus You win the prize.

He won it a while back.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Israeli troops, instead of killing innocent Palestinian civilians, should instead concentrate on apprehending and arresting these criminals.

There is no single Israeli soldier currently in GAZA,
The only way Israeli security forces can enter GAZA and arrest him is by entering with massive force and a wide backup of tanks and helicopters - do you really want that? I guess you are slightly not aware of the reality in GAZA.

Since 1993 peace talks the Palestinians have their own security forces\weapons\jails etc ... to handle their internal issues.

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Originally posted by Flotser There is no single Israeli soldier currently in GAZA, The only way Israeli security forces can enter GAZA and arrest him is by entering with massive force and a wide backup of tanks and helicopters - do you really want that? I guess you are slightly not aware of the reality in GAZA. Since 1993 peace talks the Palestinians have their own security forces\weapons\jails etc ... to handle their internal issues.

Yes, I am aware of that. I wasnt denying that Hamas and Fath are settling issues, I came to this thread for a different point to settle, see my next paragraph below

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Originally posted by Yoepus Actually, if you believe the news article terrorist killed this boy in their infighting... and guess who Israelis kill?? Yup, thats right! Terrorists! You win the prize.

I came to this thread to illustrate a point - Dopey's obvious lies and double standards. I pwned him by asking forensic and video proof of the boy's death linking him to Hamas, which he obviously cant get because there isnt any. He denied that Israelis killed the girl from the other thread because there's no forensic evidence or videotape footage that proved it. I said this time and time and time and time again (I hate repeating myself - why you guys make stupid points???)

I know Hamas is no angel. I noticed that there's strong anti-Palestinian sentiment going on this forum. I know both Palestinians and Jews have killed each other and still do. What really bugs me is that Israeli murders of civilians are OK and cannot be proven and didnt happen, yet Palestinian radicals are solely for the blame for both ALL Palestinians civilian deaths and Israeli civilian dead. Thats bullshit. I only merely wanted to show that Israeli are actually the bigger murderers because they have killed many more innocent civilians and have illegally forced out hundreds of thousands of Palestinians without ever ever issuing a formal apology (or any kind of "regretful" comments for that matter) or even paying compensation, not even talking about their return to THEIR lands. I mean, Jews got their compensation in World War II, right? Its been nearly 60 years for Palestinian compensation and interest is rising.

But most of you pro-American pro-Israeli dont understand that. Please dont make me repeat my points or I'll be forced to copy and paste or calling bad names ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I know Hamas is no angel. I noticed that there's strong anti-Palestinian sentiment going on this forum. I know both Palestinians and Jews have killed each other and still do. What really bugs me is that Israeli murders of civilians are OK and cannot be proven and didnt happen, yet Palestinian radicals are solely for the blame for both ALL Palestinians civilian deaths and Israeli civilian dead. Thats bullshit. I only merely wanted to show that Israeli are actually the bigger murderers because they have killed many more innocent civilians and have illegally forced out hundreds of thousands of Palestinians without ever ever issuing a formal apology (or any kind of "regretful" comments for that matter) or even paying compensation, not even talking about their return to THEIR lands. I mean, Jews got their compensation in World War II, right? Its been nearly 60 years for Palestinian compensation and interest is rising. [/COLOR]

Israeli State Sanctioned Terrorism is the greater of two evils.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I pwned him

lol you're like the number uno super champion of tools buddy

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Originally posted by tathi Israeli State Defense Army, which is recognzed by the REAL world leaders (ie Europe and the US, NOT the Taliban and Iran) is the greatest army in the Middle East.

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i agree with you, it is the "greatest" army in the middle east (receiving billions of dollars in funding from the US) and the IDF has abused this vast power it has over its enemies time and time again...why? because it can. Whenever their is a vast disparity between two powers at war history shows that for the underdog to have any chance of not being completely subjugated and oppressed it has to resort to different tactics like Guerrilla Warefare and Terrorism. Nelson Mandella was a terrorist, the founding fathers of the USA were terorrists against the Brittish, the extremist jewish group Irgun (i think thats the name) resorted to terrorism by blowing up the King David Hotel in the Brittish Mandate of Palestine. Its your classic David and Goliath legend: Israel is Goliath, a bully that lords over weaker people because he can.

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Originally posted by tathi i agree with you, it is the "greatest" army in the middle east (receiving billions of dollars in funding from the US) and the IDF has abused this vast power it has over its enemies time and time again...why? because it can. Whenever their is a vast disparity between two powers at war history shows that for the underdog to have any chance of not being completely subjugated and oppressed it has to resort to different tactics like Guerrilla Warefare and Terrorism. Nelson Mandella was a terrorist, the founding fathers of the USA were terorrists against the Brittish, the extremist jewish group Irgun (i think thats the name) resorted to terrorism by blowing up the King David Hotel in the Brittish Mandate of Palestine. Its your classic David and Goliath legend: Israel is Goliath, a bully that lords over weaker people because he can.

That sounds so romantic doesn't it?
David vs. Goliath; I mean, who doesn't want to root for the underdog?
I'm not being sarcastic, that just seems to be the general overtone in a lot of Israel vs. Palestine threads.
My question would be then, what's keeping Israel from just rolling over everyone then? I'm sure they could push pretty damn far they wanted and have already proved that in the past and then recoiled.

On a more positive note:

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Israeli-Palestinian Leaders Reaffirm Commitment to Dialogue Davos, Switzerland, 25 January 2007 � Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Vice-Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni today reiterated their commitment to finding a two-state solution and to resuming long-stalled negotiations. "The Middle East is in dire need of peace and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is one of the most serious conflicts that requires a solution," President Abbas told the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting 2007. "Dialogue between nations and different sectors of society will lead to peace." Noting previous agreements signed with Israel, as well as other peace initiatives, such as the UN-sponsored Road Map, President Abbas called for resuming negotiations that will ultimately lead to a Palestinian state. "What is required now is for us to trace the beginning and the end of this peace process," he said. "Our hand remains outstretched to start the negotiation process. Fear and despair must be replaced by hope and forgiveness. Nothing is more important than peace � for our children." Vice-Prime Minister Livni reciprocated the call to seek peace for future generations. "Our responsibility is to give them hope, this is something we owe them," Livni said after viewing with the Davos participants several filmed messages of peace from young Israelis and Palestinians in Jerusalem, Ramallah and Tel Aviv. "If what can come out of this is a promise to generations to come that we will take all the measures to bring peace to our region." Livni, like Abbas, also envisions a two-state solution to the conflict, but asked what the best way is to achieve this goal. She reaffirmed Israel's commitment to the Road Map, but said that the current Palestinian government must fulfil its part of the agreement, including the acceptance of Israel's right to exist and the renouncement of terrorism. "There is a Palestinian state at the end of the process, but the terrorism must be dismantled," Livni stressed. "This is a step-by-step process but gives a political horizon." She added that in order to realize the two-state vision, moderates on both sides need to fight against the extremists that want to destroy it. "I know there is an expectation to see us advancing," Livni said. "I know it's not easy � but we want to negotiate, to talk, to share ideas and to find common denominators." Adding to the discussion, former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres said that the problems are solvable and appealed to the international business community to invest in the region, particularly in a proposed shared economic zone between Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories. "Companies are looking for emerging markets," Peres said "If you are global you must be interested in the globality of peace." Closing the session, Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum, said that Peres' appeal to investors is already being answered, announcing that the Forum is in the advanced stage of creating an Israeli-Palestinian business council to stimulate foreign investment. "We have heard from the young people the expectations of hope � we have heard from the leaders," Schwab said. "I hope we all join the efforts to find a lasting solution."

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Let us hope that all sides see this through...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Let us hope that all sides see this through...

k, I'm gonna hold my breath!

time me.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r My question would be then, what's keeping Israel from just rolling over everyone then? I'm sure they could push pretty damn far they wanted and have already proved that in the past and then recoiled.

Because:

a) Arab states can squeeze oil like they did in 1973 war

b) Arab states are much bigger, more populated, have huge stockpiles of weapons, a lot of money (Saudis, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Libya, etc.) and thus good dimplomacy with them is essential for Israel's survival. They will not be able to wage a protracted war against them all for long. Not without direct US military intervention (troops) which USA barely has enough for Iraq alone.

c) Israel doesnt have enough troops to commit to war against primary Arab states like Egypt, Syria.

d) Israel does face a lot of international pressure and they dont want to look as aggressors, though in Second Lebanese War of last year this option was proven wrong ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Not without direct US military intervention (troops) which USA barely has enough for Iraq alone.

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