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Live in the now - For an Angel was good 9 years ago!

Right,

For an Angel - great track. I love PvD, he's the best.

For an Angel was awesome, there's no doubt that at the time this track was the best.

We've moved on now - and frankly, due to the technologies that are avaiable to producers these days, there are far superior productions out there now.

I just think it's gone a little too far. Yes, it's a great track. But enough already!!

What are your views?

Jarv

PS Mr Mystery - if you're going to say anything, try and make it a little bit positive. Think happy thoughts...

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Originally posted by Bidor

What? What's with the WTF?!

For an angel is a nice track, thats it.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister What? What's with the WTF?!

What the hell are you talking about? What has "gone too far"? What is your point?

correction.. 12-13 years old
i love the song too and i still enjoy it today so i dont really care

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Right, For an Angel - great track. I love PvD, he's the best. For an Angel was awesome, there's no doubt that at the time this track was the best. We've moved on now - and frankly, due to the technologies that are avaiable to producers these days, there are far superior productions out there now. I just think it's gone a little too far. Yes, it's a great track. But enough already!! What are your views? Jarv PS Mr Mystery - if you're going to say anything, try and make it a little bit positive. Think happy thoughts...

what does it help if you have the most advanced equipment but totally lack motivation and creativity?

For An Angel was always over-hyped. Pikes is much better.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Right,

wrong.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister For an Angel - great track. I love PvD, he's the best.

false.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister For an Angel was awesome, there's no doubt that at the time this track was the best.

theres plenty of doubt.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister there are far superior productions out there now.

and there were before.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I just think it's gone a little too far. Yes, it's a great track. But enough already!!

agreed.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister What are your views?

its an average track. nothing special about it. highly over-rated.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister PS Mr Mystery - if you're going to say anything, try and make it a little bit positive. Think happy thoughts...

impossible.

Re: Live in the now - For an Angel was good 9 years ago!

Oh, and...

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister For an Angel was awesome, there's no doubt that at the time this track was the best.

That's absolute bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about early 90's trance thinks For An Angel is shit on a stick.

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Originally posted by distant For An Angel was always over-hyped. Pikes is much better.

Or say... anything he produced between '94 and '99.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 what does it help if you have the most advanced equipment but totally lack motivation and creativity?

What if you exploit the equipment and produce a superior track. That was my point. It's got sod all to do with motivation.

I'm not saying that the track is arse. It's a grreat track. Seems that in every top 100 it rarely leaves the top spot.

It's time to move on!!

Jarv

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Originally posted by stan229 correction.. 12-13 years old i love the song too and i still enjoy it today so i dont really care

Well - if you want to be picky yeah - but I'm not talking about the shitty 45RPM version, just the overhyped E-Werk version.

Jarv

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Originally posted by distant Oh, and... That's absolute bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about early 90's trance thinks For An Angel is shit on a stick.

The smell of bullshit, my friend, seems to be eminating from Sweden.

Ok ,the problem is that production quality doesn't determine the overall quality of the track, which in turn is dependent on much more complex factors like errmmm...the MELODY and the overall STRUCTURE for example. In the end of the day, who cares about production anyway, when the majority of todays tracks are uninspiring and just bad? For an Angel has an amazing hooky simple lead piano-line. Hence it will be remebered. Who is going to remember todays bloody over-played epic trance productions in 10 years time?

Because technology has advanced doesn't mean that the quality of the music has advanced as well. If that was the case no one would listen to 60s and 70s music for example. Strangely enough i find Vangelis' "Bladerunner" soundtrack to be one of the best electronic music albums ever made, despite the fact that it was produced in the beginning of the 80s. If that was the case, no one would listen to old great bands like Pink Floyd, King Crimson , Tangerine Dream, Can and Kraftwerk and countless others.

It is not strange, that post-Millenium EDM has gone in a quite 80s electro-way, bringing back old analogue sounds and stuff. Presumably, people were fed-up with the clinical, crisp productions and wanted something more raw and dirty, like the older electronic sounding of the 80s.


A melody is good, regardless of it being played in a quitar, a flute, a violin, an orchestra or a super-massive-Pro-52000 super-saw synth. Its music that makes the difference not bloody special effects and crystal-clear sounding! So yes, "For an Angel" still remains on top.

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Originally posted by PETRAN A melody is good, regardless of it being played in a quitar, a flute, a violin, an orchestra or a super-massive-Pro-52000 super-saw synth. Its music that makes the difference not bloody special effects and crystal-clear sounding! So yes, "For an Angel" still remains on top.

I know you're very keen to push this agenda, but For An Angel is just as shit melodically as it is bland production-wise.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I know you're very keen to push this agenda, but For An Angel is just as shit melodically as it is bland production-wise.

although melodically thats a very subjective thing, I agree.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ok ,the problem is that production quality doesn't determine the overall quality of the track, which in turn is dependent on much more complex factors like errmmm...the MELODY and the overall STRUCTURE for example.

Yes structure and melody are important.

But just like a modern supercar is better to drive than a classic supercar, so a track produced with modern technology can be deemed a better production than one with old technology.

If that weren't the case then people would still be producing tracks as they were produced 10 or 20 years ago.

Jarv

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister The smell of bullshit, my friend, seems to be eminating from Sweden.

How many early 90's trance tracks have you heard?

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Originally posted by distant How many early 90's trance tracks have you heard?

Oh do shut up for once. If you're going to make a fucking argument, make one that isn't "I've downloaded more MP3s than you".

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Originally posted by distant How many early 90's trance tracks have you heard?

I got into dance in 88. I went to my first rave in the summer of 88 - I don't know if you know this but the UK were pioneering the dance scene when the swedes were still running around naked in the valleys and hills wearing only a pair of clogs.

I'm 31.

Why?

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I got into dance in 88. I went to my first rave in the summer of 88 - i don't know if you know this but the UK pioneered the dance scene. I'm 31. Why?

you certainly don't sound like someone who's 31.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh do shut up for once. If you're going to make a fucking argument, make one that isn't "I've downloaded more MP3s than you".

Heard more music = more informed opinion. It's very simple. I haven't seen a single early 90's trance enthusiast who praises For An Angel as a masterpiece. That should tell you something.

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originally posted by SYSTEM-J I know you're very keen to push this agenda, but For An Angel is just as shit melodically as it is bland production-wise.

Well, its controversial. Truth is that "For an Angel" wasn't special melodic-wise (and production-wise is simple). I mean the lead-line is extremely simple. But still, it goes somewhere, it has a direction. Its simple but inspiring. At least, i personally find it to contain more inspiration then most (if not all) of todays epic/melodic trance tracks which are extremely generic, VST preset-trance-by-numbers tracks. Bloody technology doesn't make a difference to inspiration. On the contrary sometimes it could make things "easier" for the producer, with all these presets and automatic functions.

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