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Posted by PETRAN on Jan-31-2007 13:21:

What Kind of Music Would You REALLY LikeTo Produce/Play if You Were/Are Producers?

I just thought that it could be kinda cool if everyone posted what kind of music they would really like to play if they were/are musicians/producers. I say were/are because even producers, due to technical, performance or other limitations don't play what they would REALLY like to play. e.g. i know that a famous greek progressive producer would really like to play jazz. Unfortunately he doesn't have the high skill and the equipment for it!Anyway, the question is directed to ALL the people out-there (or in-here).


So, instead of posting single-word answers of genre-names such as "techno" or errmm "trance", or even worst sub-genre names e.g. click/glitch housecore, it would be better to elaborate on the subject e.g. state what sounds or instruments would you use, the subjective qualities of the sound (e.g. melancholic, positivistic, agressive), your influences etc.


In my case, i would really like to play a hybrid of post-rock and ambient, something between, explosions in the sky, M83, God Is An Astronaut, Ulrich Schnauss and Bola, maybe with a slight 80s new-wave/synth-pop influence and a few of Vangelis' cinematics.

Basically i can see it having layers of long quitar and synth lead-lines, emotional reverbed and delayed quitar lines coupled with lush ambient synth textures, maybe assisted by more classical organs such as a violin or a cello. I would really like it to have a typical build-explode(crescendo)-slowdown structure like exlposions in the sky tracks. Also, a kind of repetetive drumming could be cool. This would give a more primal, tribal feel to the overall sound. Of course ,drums would follow the build-ups and the melodies not the opposite. I would really like it to be largely instrumental and hence vocal-free, although some female angelic vocals saying non-sense (e.g. like Cocteau Twins) would be cool in some tracks.

The subjective qualities would transcend melancholic (but not depressive), nostalgic and in a few times, more positivistic emotional qualities, although i would really like it to have a slight "mystical" feel at times (e.g. Enigma, Amethystium, Dead Can Dance), without becoming new-age and meditative. Thats it really. Feel free to post whatever you like!


(p.s. Unfortunately i don't have the knowledge, the skill or the equipment to do it!)


(p.s.2 I hope this thread belongs here and not to the COR. Lol)


Posted by sterilis on Jan-31-2007 13:29:

ammm i produce uplifting trance, i play uplifting trance and i like uplifting trance.


Posted by PETRAN on Jan-31-2007 13:33:

quote:

Originally posted by dj_kane
ammm i produce uplifting trance, i play uplifting trance and i like uplifting trance



Ok, cool, so is it like the 98-99 uplifting trance sound? What are your influences? Airwave, Thrillseekers, Sean Tyas...?


Posted by isoterra on Jan-31-2007 13:52:

i'd love to make a hybrid of psy & old-style trance, mainly with the production standards/synths/percussion you get in today's regular uplifting/tech trance. it would be quite driving, sometimes almost veering into the 'hard' territory with thundering basslines & killer acids.. there would be melodies, but without much emphasis on chord changes, and there would be loads of atmospheric pads & sound effects creating a kinda hypnotic vibe. breakdowns would also be fairly minimal. i'd also love to rip every single synth sound from astral projection - 'anything is possible' and use them wherever possible

i produce melodic epic at the moment but i'm trying to move away from it.. the above is ultimately my goal


Posted by distant on Jan-31-2007 15:28:

Acid dubstep with gabba kicks and The Mover influences.


Posted by Ian on Jan-31-2007 15:33:

when i did dabble with production, i'd have kept with what i had, a lot of 303s & so on, however I'd have worked out how to add a melody on top to make it into a nice goa tune at times rather than something which was quite flat.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-31-2007 15:41:

If there was one track that would some up what kind of music I'd like to make, it would be the album version of Leftfield's Song Of Life. If there were two, the other would be Paul Van Dyk's Beautiful Place. What I like about Song Of Life is how it has a really strong and epic melody that is simultaneously quite simple and subtle, and it marries that to strong synths that power the track forwards. Beautiful Place is similar- there's some very beautiful pianos in there, but the dancefloor parts of the track are driven by synth riffs and chord progression. And then there's the ambient intro to Song Of Life.

Essentially, what I like is very lush soundscapes and powerful, delicate melodies that might otherwise dominate a track, and toning them down and building them around futuristic synth symphonies. My tracks would be long as a general rule, but that time wouldn't be dominated by endless loops and slow hypnotism as layers build up. My tracks would be ever-changing and built around distinct phases that interlock and reference each other- much like Orbital structure their records and albums, which they took from the rave scene.

I'd also like to alternate between rhythmic templates- going through four-on-the-floor and different breaks, even within tracks. I wouldn't be afraid of having long ambient sections, often where the melody occurs, but once the beats have kicked in the priority would be to maintain the movement in some form.

I suppose the simplest way of putting it would be to imagine a genetic splice of BT's Ima, Orbital's Brown Album and Leftfield's Leftism, with a bit of Enigma's Cross of Changes thrown in.


Posted by RJT on Jan-31-2007 15:43:

If I could find a way to combine the sounds of the likes of Charlie May and Lemon Jelly - I'd be producing the kinds of records I'm dying to play, and that I don't feel anyone else is doing a satisfactory job of producing.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-31-2007 16:14:

I like to try a little bit of everything, though I'm doing mostly melodic breaks and darkish trance. However, lately I've been doing 100-120bpm downbeat stuff.

I find the EDM/trance single-based format very restricting and try to break it whenever I can, so I'm not going to be expecting a lot of DJ support...


Posted by Dj O'Callaghan on Jan-31-2007 16:22:

Progressive house with a melodic but funky influence. I like my music to have a degree of deepness to it but at the same time It needs to have melody and warmth.


Posted by Subtle on Jan-31-2007 16:39:

Progressive House percussions, with tranzy synths, repetetive but dark progressions, with influences from Goa trance, spanning from 126 to 130 BPM.


Posted by SuspicionVandit on Jan-31-2007 16:41:

Hip Hop
Synth Rock (more depeche mode instead of Panic! At the gay)


Posted by sterilis on Jan-31-2007 16:47:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, cool, so is it like the 98-99 uplifting trance sound? What are your influences? Airwave, Thrillseekers, Sean Tyas...?


influences would be pvd tracks like avenue/ another way. liked the style he had then.

john askew would be one lately im enjoying his stuff.


Posted by PETRAN on Jan-31-2007 16:50:

quote:

Originally posted by isoterra
i'd love to make a hybrid of psy & old-style trance, mainly with the production standards/synths/percussion you get in today's regular uplifting/tech trance. it would be quite driving, sometimes almost veering into the 'hard' territory with thundering basslines & killer acids.. there would be melodies, but without much emphasis on chord changes, and there would be loads of atmospheric pads & sound effects creating a kinda hypnotic vibe. breakdowns would also be fairly minimal




That's a really great idea, an idea that i recently thought of as well. I thought that producing old-school trance, the type of dance 2 trance and resistance-d with todays standards (you would combine it with goa, something that could be also interesting)could make a great combination. It would be great to listen to an old-school, rhythmical and hypnotic track with the old-school ambient chords (which were usually streesed in the "background") with todays productions techniques and samples, that could be mind-blowing, especially in the case that the track is made in an instanteneous and rapid way as back then. Todays tracks seem to be produced in a much cut'n'paste, clinical way. What they miss is a kind of "rapidness" and "instinctiveness"-the "spontaneous factor" that old tracks had. IMO, it would be much more interesting then the the electro thing that happens at the moment, but it is all a matter of taste in the end. So, i suggest you go for your plan!(who knows, you may start a kind of "retro-trance" scene...)



quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If there was one track that would some up what kind of music I'd like to make, it would be the album version of Leftfield's Song Of Life. If there were two, the other would be Paul Van Dyk's Beautiful Place. What I like about Song Of Life is how it has a really strong and epic melody that is simultaneously quite simple and subtle, and it marries that to strong synths that power the track forwards. Beautiful Place is similar- there's some very beautiful pianos in there, but the dancefloor parts of the track are driven by synth riffs and chord progression. And then there's the ambient intro to Song Of Life.




Oh yes, both tracks are ace! I can see why you like them, they have similar qualities in a way. They both have strong driving rhythms occuring on top of refreshing new-agey ambient chords and atmospheres (the type that enigma used)and this is what makes them great. Generally speaking, i consider "Leftism" to be one the best EDM albums ever made. A heterogeneous but nevertheless integrated album full of ideas. Its sad though, because it seems that most of the newer producers don't seem to remember such EDM masterpieces anymore.EDM as "art" not simply as dance music.

quote:
Essentially, what I like is very lush soundscapes and powerful, delicate melodies that might otherwise dominate a track, and toning them down and building them around futuristic synth symphonies. My tracks would be long as a general rule, but that time wouldn't be dominated by endless loops and slow hypnotism as layers build up. My tracks would be ever-changing and built around distinct phases that interlock and reference each other- much like Orbital structure their records and albums, which they took from the rave scene.

I'd also like to alternate between rhythmic templates- going through four-on-the-floor and different breaks, even within tracks. I wouldn't be afraid of having long ambient sections, often where the melody occurs, but once the beats have kicked in the priority would be to maintain the movement in some form.




Great this is a way i thought of producing EDM as well. Instead of going back to the "rhythmical" roots, evolve in a more "musical" way, pretty much how orbital evolved from strict dance to more artistic, non-linear electronic music and albums such as "in sides" and "snivilisation".


Also, i find your idea of "rhytmical and melodic alternations" within tracks completely mind-blowing. Maybe the reason that people are bored of todays trance, is not because todays trance doesn't have melodies and ideas, but because its structure remains identical to the 90s. e.g. a build, a break and a kick-back with the main melody-theme. It would be much greater for a track to evolve (like what ulrich Schnauss does with his ambient/downtempo tracks) , in both rhythmical and melodic fashions. Changing rhythm patterns would be great, one "could play" with a dance crowd. Such a structure could maximally engage the attention of both a dancer or a simple listener. This "changing" nature would keep the interest at high levels and the overall "musicallity" of the track would increase.



Nice, great contributions everyone. keep it up.


Posted by Amduscias on Jan-31-2007 17:20:

Trance Progressive


Posted by Psy-T on Jan-31-2007 18:30:

a drumsynth(+sequnecer), 2xTB303, a saxophone (coltrane style), and a piano. producing live, repetative, hypnotizing jazz, regardless of whether hours or minutes in length.


Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-31-2007 21:54:

something along the line of Etnoscope. with didgeridoos, djembes, furious tribal drums and african chantings


Posted by Spirit5 on Jan-31-2007 21:57:

A mixture of Ulrich Schnauss and Amethystium...really melodic, dreamy, visceral, ethereal and bittersweet chill-out music that transports you into another world...


Posted by Arraias on Feb-01-2007 00:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
mostly melodic breaks


+ 1


Posted by justin on Feb-01-2007 02:19:

I guess I am most fascinated by psy for its thousands of trippy sound effets that it uses. As well as its driving, relentless bass lines that simply take you to a distant planet. I really dig the movie samples that some producers include like the infamous "...Sleeper has Awaken..." (don't know what movie its from) that Astral Projection used recently in a song called "The Prophecy".

I guess most of my first psy/goa influences were Art of Trance Ololiuqui, Jorg, and Dj John Monroe. But that was like 5 years ago. Last three years or so I have expanded my horizons in this domain quite a bit. But theres really no particular psy artist that I would want to assimilate because of the fact that theres just so many unique styles out there.

So yeah...gimme some production tools and I would make psy


Posted by RapidFire on Feb-01-2007 02:28:

synthpop (not the traditonal kind more like stuff by Depeche Mode, Tears For Fears and the like)
jazz/funk house
alternative
downtempo/atmospheric


id love to combine all those and form an original sound but thats kinda out there. id probably just jump around genres and dabble in a little bit of everything.


Posted by Sushipunk on Feb-01-2007 02:41:

Deep Progressive Breaks


Posted by Spirit5 on Feb-01-2007 02:45:

quote:
Originally posted by RapidFire
synthpop (not the traditonal kind more like stuff by Depeche Mode, Tears For Fears and the like)
jazz/funk house
alternative
downtempo/atmospheric


id love to combine all those and form an original sound but thats kinda out there. id probably just jump around genres and dabble in a little bit of everything.


Um Royksopp is pretty close to combining all of these...


Posted by Cobalt on Feb-01-2007 02:58:

Subterranean progressive trance, tempered with techno. Think 2001 Bedrock crossed with Berlin, or perhaps the darker side of Frankfurt. Seven Ways on a bad trip. BT born German. Breeder's fifth album in an alternate history. Something like that.

On the side, I'd produce ambient evoking Eno and Robert Rich stuck in 36E and 36F of a full flight. From time to time I would press an obscure terrorcore alias.


Posted by iammesol on Feb-01-2007 03:01:

I really like emotional music... whether it's a really uplifting and happy track, or a really sad track. It doesn't matter the genre... I'd love to play/produce/perform it!


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