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This may be a redundant question on this forum, however it seem the are a majority of FL Studio Advocators
This may be a redundant question on this forum, however it seem there are a majority of FL Studio Advocators in this forum. Can I ask why this is? I have been struggling for the past 2-3 months over deciding which DAW to use. I have tried Cubase SX 2,3,, Sonar 5,6, Reason 2.5,3, Ableton 5, Project 5 V2 and recently opened up a beta of FL7. I honestly don�t understand what you guys see or hear in it? I understand there is a learning curve but with all the other aforementioned programs. Even a first look FL is so dark and dreary looking and the basic patches of the Sound Generators sound cheesy? The 2 programs I actually enjoy and have success with most people here base and they would be Reason and Project 5 V2?
I�m just a beginner so maybe I can answer some of my one question. Am I wasting too much time to find the Prefect solution? My Requrements are Midi and Audio so although Reason is Easy to use and makes great sounds I do not want to get into a Rewire scenario in the beginning. Project 5 does audio and midi and come with a substation 2 Gig of audio samples with Dimension! But The problem is there is not many tutorials that directly impact Cakewalk or Sonar. I have a set of 3 DVD tutorials for Cubase SX 3 but the way the are structured is terrible. It for like an encyclopedia format and not step by step. Unless you know the partitular area you want to learn directly Im at a loss. The Must be Advance DVD�s.
I hear great things about Ableton and It is clear to use! The list of Artists that seem to use it on Ableton�s website is impressive! (Armin, PVD, G&D, Richie Hawtin etc. Ableton Artist List ) But do they really use it to produce and record their material. I doubt it? It seems they use it more for DJing and laying down ideas? Can Ableton really be classed a full blown DAW?
Hope I�m not starting a war here! Lol
Any suggestions?
Fruity is just fecking easy to use. The piano roll and step sequencer is designed in such a way that it makes laying down a skeleton track really easy. Some of the synths that come with fruity are quite good if you take the time to learn them and they are all pretty easy to program.
You can get decent sounds out of it just like you can out of any DAW - it is just a collection of tools after all and theres not much difference between all of them these days except for workflow. You just need to learn how to swing things to get things to sound good. How you go about doing that will be different in every DAW. Some take to it easier in one DAW than in another.
Ableton is a full blown DAW. Although its user interface is streamlined for live recording/performance. Some people who are used to trackers and sequencers may find it strange but once you get used to it, it does what it does beautifully.
Fruity wins.
Reason fails.
The end. 
There are just as many people here that bash/hate FL as there are users of it, so I'm not sure where you get this idea that the majority here thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread.
In the end, it's all a matter of preference. That's it.
yeh fruity is good, i never got to grips with reason, didnt like the rewireing of the synths and its general interface...things just seemed to take longer to achieve vs fruityloops
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| Originally posted by KilldaDJ yeh fruity is good, i never got to grips with reason, didnt like the rewireing of the synths and its general interface...things just seemed to take longer to achieve vs fruityloops |
this is what happens when you are given too many choices. when i first started out, i was only aware of FL, and so i never "auditioned" other programs.
once again, someone making things way more complicated than the situation really is. if you dont like the "darkness" of FL, then, wtf, dont use it. they all accomplish the same damn thing...such a simple concept!!
why does it matter what DAW top producers are using? you know that it doesnt matter, right? you know that it's just a marketing strategy to promote a product.
yes you are wasting time looking for the "perfect solution"...2-3 months...
Dark and cheesy? 
Just kidding. 
You don't have to use Fruity Loops. You don't have to use Abelton. You don't have to use Cubase. You have to use what works for you. That means that if Reason or Project 5 make more sense to you, you should use them. Just make sure you learn how to use them completely before judging them as useless.
That said, Fruity works well for many people. As long as people have a good feel for the workflow and know well the plugins that they use (note that these don't have to the default plugins), they will be able to make good music.
I think what you're really seeing here is a tolerance for DAWs. Most people on this forum have gotten over judging DAWs or judging people based on the DAW that they use, and they're willing to look for the positive aspects of the programs that other people use.
I see that the word DAW is being misused here. A DAW is the whole package, hardware (PC) + software. Wikipedia explains it very well, here's the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Workstation
Fruity Loops, cubase, reason, ect.. are not DAWs, they are software sequencers, or virtual studios. They are also refered to as "hosts", because they are also serve as VSTi hosts. I just wanted to clear up any confusion.
Fruity was the first soft sequencer I tried. I stumbled upon it actually, when I was looking for a software drum machine. I used Fruity for years, making retro electronic music, before I knew there were other programs out there. Since I have used FL from the beginning, even before I knew what Trance was, I have stuck with it. I know it back and forth. FL does what I want, I can knock out tracks pretty quickly. I tried to learn Cubase, but it's just too much of a pain to learn, it's not intuitive like FL.
There are disadvantages to FL though. FL = Fruity Loops BTW. It has problems with certain Korg VSTi's, wavestation and M1, not being in sync with the rest of the song when rendered to wavefile. I have to use FX freeze to get around these issues. That's the only reason I've considered moving to another sequencer. I like to freeze tracks anyway, to free up system resources, so I'm not too worried about it.
personally, I am NOT extremely literate when it comes to this stuff -however, after given the basics of Reason (like literally turning it on and basically how to use my keys on it) I found it to be a fairly user friendly program.
One of the ways I started learning the program was by disecting the demo song that they give you in reason 3.0...Upon this disection I was semi familiar enough to get around. I have loads to learn on this program - I am more a creator than producer to be fair. I would highly recommend it to anyone....
as stated above fl works well for most people, if its too dark and dreary dont use it. fl's workflow is so much quicker compared to other progs. the interface in a program doesnt matter, so what its cheesy that has nothing to do with programming sounds. fl gives you the ability to create quality sounds just like any other program. i started out using reason about a year ago and it was just to slow paced, you have to do too much to accomplish small tasks.on another note, ableton is an awsome program.
i would highly recommend u to try out fruity, give it some time (e.g. 6mths) i'm sure you'll be able to whip something good out of it. it's pretty easy to use once u've made some sense of what the stuffs do. there isn't much redundant stuffs in fl. i agree with ASFSE, we don't follow what the pro's do because it may not work for us. just choose and do the things that work for u. after all, if u have the talent, you'll be there 
if not, just treat it as a hobby, do some music that pleases you... that's what i do cuz i don't have the talents :P
Lots of good producers here use Reason. Only problem with it is the lack of plugin (VST, DX, etc.) support, which Fruityloops does have.
For most musicians, Reason seems to be the most natural choice. For some of the more tech-savvy musicians, Cubase is also easy to get the hang of. Fruityloops is better optimized for DJs and other non-musicians. and it's also dirt-cheap, therefore it has a much wider audience and is more popular.
Insert standard disclaimer here about FL being perfectly capable of making tracks that are just as good as what comes out of Cubase or Logic or any other sequencer and yadda yadda yadda - the point is that the appeal of Fruityloops for many is its workflow, and if you don't find that workflow natural, you'll hate it.
Found a solution to the darkness of the inteface! It appear Fl Stdui is Skinnable!!!
As for the difficulty in with learning it in the begining, it called a tutorial! lol
Thanks for most of the suggestons! Ill give er' I go and think I will actually buy a copy 7 Porducer XXL when It is readily available. Like idea of the lie time free update? Anyonr know that only applys to thecurrnt version or could I go purchase an ol dversion of 5 and still qualify got the upgrade to 7? lol
How does it work?
what made fruity loops so popular among amatuer techno producers back in the day anyway? its also the first production program i used, but i dont remember how i found out about it?
Fruity loops is without a doubt the easiest piece of production software I've ever used.
Reason seemed to take ages to get anything out of it because the sequencer was and is just terribly over complicated.
Personally I'd recommend Fruity Loops 7 with Reason 3 rewired.
The best advice you can take from all this is that 10 mins even a full month on these programs is not going to make you sound like the dogs bollocks. You need to read, take tutorials and put some effort into it.
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| Originally posted by TrickDaddE Found a solution to the darkness of the inteface! It appear Fl Stdui is Skinnable!!! As for the difficulty in with learning it in the begining, it called a tutorial! lol Thanks for most of the suggestons! Ill give er' I go and think I will actually buy a copy 7 Porducer XXL when It is readily available. Like idea of the lie time free update? Anyonr know that only applys to thecurrnt version or could I go purchase an ol dversion of 5 and still qualify got the upgrade to 7? lol How does it work? |
I'm also looking for a program to make my own songs on. I worked on ableton and I just starting to learn it. I made one song that I like. It came out all right but its no great piece of work but its cool to me. I just take the samples that are given and mess around with those and put them in sequence. I have a keyboard, but Im no where near to working that into my music yet.
Is fruity loops a good buy for a novice? I've been just a dj for along time and I want to start to make my own stuff.
Fruity a go? or should I stick with learning ableton?
Thanks, SC
stick with ableton
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| Originally posted by mysticalninja stick with ableton |
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| Originally posted by TrickDaddE Especially if your main focus is a DJ/live environment! Thus it's called Ableton LIVE!!! |
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| Originally posted by Djshortcircuit but see its not, I really want to make my own songs, not mix with it. So stick with it for production or move to fruity? |
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| Originally posted by Djshortcircuit but see its not, I really want to make my own songs, not mix with it. So stick with it for production or move to fruity? |
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| Originally posted by david.michael Try both and choose whichever you like best, sir. |
And don't be afraid of using some time on trying because you need to give the program a bit of time.
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| Originally posted by Djshortcircuit but see its not, I really want to make my own songs, not mix with it. So stick with it for production or move to fruity? |
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