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Camelot Key Codes...

Just a quick question about keycodes.

I know that if I've got a tune that's for example 2a, I can mix that into any other 2a, 1a, 3a or 2b.

But, I'm sure I read somewhere that I could also mix it into a keycode that's 7 places round the clock (ie - 2a > 9a).

Is this true?

the possibilities are:

+1
+4
+7
-1
-3


so yeah 7 is possible

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Originally posted by BOOsTER the possibilities are: +1 +4 +7 -1 -3 so yeah 7 is possible

And all of these would be compatible with each other?

Also, if I can +4, can I -4? Or doesn't it work like that?

subtract the number from your current keycode...

let's say you're playing a 7A

from there you can go

+1 = 8A
+4 = 11A
+7 = 2A (I think sorry I'm a bit overloaded lol)
-1 = 6A
-3 = 4A

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Originally posted by BOOsTER the possibilities are: +1 +4 +7 -1 -3 so yeah 7 is possible

+2 aswell

the general rule is +/- 1 is fine for mashing and are perfectly harmonic (they're perfect 5ths) but anything else is considered a modulation mix and i would recommend making sure that the basslines do not overlap when you are doing this type of mix. it's going for changing the energy or the overall feel of the mix or taking the crowd in a different direction however

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster the general rule is +/- 1 is fine for mashing and are perfectly harmonic (they're perfect 5ths) but anything else is considered a modulation mix and i would recommend making sure that the basslines do not overlap when you are doing this type of mix. it's going for changing the energy or the overall feel of the mix or taking the crowd in a different direction however

Cheers, that makes sense. What about going from 2a > 2b? Is that harmonic?

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Originally posted by agentdansmith What about going from 2a > 2b? Is that harmonic?

yes

Cool.

Something that I have noticed is that none of my tunes have a B keycode, they are all A's.

Does that sound right? I am using MixMeister Fusion to scan my tracks.

yes 99% of edm will be A not many tracks will land in a B

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Originally posted by agentdansmith Cool. Something that I have noticed is that none of my tunes have a B keycode, they are all A's. Does that sound right? I am using MixMeister Fusion to scan my tracks.

95 % of EDM songs are in Minor Keys (A's)

About mixmeister it has never shown me a major key, I think that software only detect Minor Keys.

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Originally posted by Pinokio 95 % of EDM songs are in Minor Keys (A's) About mixmeister it has never shown me a major key, I think that software only detect Minor Keys.

I think it just detects the root note and puts an "A" behind it...but seriously ... I believe most people are able to find out a song is major just by it's feel...or not?

i tend to find hard trance tracks in major key.

I don't

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Originally posted by BOOsTER I don't

good for you. im saying i do.

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Originally posted by sterilis good for you. im saying i do.

indeed every real hardtrance producer makes his music in major scales only...

it's like saying that 95% of trance was written in A minor with 140 bpm...<<< actually this is still more true...then what you said...

So lets get this straight, you can go:

+1
+2
+4
+7
-1
-3

I've only heard of +1, -1, and +7 but if the above are true then I'am relieved to know I have more options. I was about to give up harmonic mixing and just go w/ my ear because of the lack of selections if I'm mixing by key. Although theres nothing wrong w/ mixing by what sounds good to the ear.

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Originally posted by shaminii So lets get this straight, you can go: +1 +2 +4 +7 -1 -3 I've only heard of +1, -1, and +7 but if the above are true then I'am relieved to know I have more options. I was about to give up harmonic mixing and just go w/ my ear because of the lack of selections if I'm mixing by key. Although theres nothing wrong w/ mixing by what sounds good to the ear.

+2s dont work. at least not according to nemesis44, and i listen to him (cheers nem!). also +4 & +7 can depend on the tunes youre mixing. imo -3 always sounds the best

well as a rule of thumb always go for +/- 1 or +/- 7. essentially the idea is to learn how to mix into perfect 5ths of your closest or true keys and develop an ear for it..i wouldnt rely on the camelot system exlusively but use it as a guide and then experiement from there. if you add rules you're only going to limit your creativity. mix into perfect 4ths/5ths...relative major/minors and step up half or full keys (or down) if needed to enhance the set or change the energy on the dance floor.

if you have a track that's in a#, a track in eb may not necessariliy mix well into it even though its harmonic according to camelot...perhaps the percussion may not be in the same key or match well at all and maybe the main melodies may not be in the key that your basslines are in (although for the most part tracks generally stay in the same key throughout) so like what im getting at is to trust your ears over the system but its definately a good guide if your beginning to get into harmonics

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Originally posted by agentdansmith Cool. Something that I have noticed is that none of my tunes have a B keycode, they are all A's. Does that sound right? I am using MixMeister Fusion to scan my tracks.

hey agent smith, agent colon from the U.S. office here. I just wanted to know how you liked the mixmeister program? I was thinking of getting the studio version (i can't afford to buy the fusion version at this point in time) and i was wondering if it is worth the money. any help would be greatly appreciated. over and out.

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Originally posted by petercolon hey agent smith, agent colon from the U.S. office here. I just wanted to know how you liked the mixmeister program? I was thinking of getting the studio version (i can't afford to buy the fusion version at this point in time) and i was wondering if it is worth the money. any help would be greatly appreciated. over and out.

So far, I've only used it for scanning my tunes and assigning keycodes to them. And that's pretty much all I'd use it for.

I had a little dabble with the mixing side of things but it seemed too limited plus I think that software based mixing is a bit dull (plus I've got Ableton Live which is much better if that's what you're after).

So, if you're after just something for scanning and archiving your tracks in key order, then it's seems pretty good but then you may as well just download the demo as you can do all that in the unlimited demo version anyway

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