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can someone ID this synth?

i'm looking to find out what kind of synth is used on the main lead and the filtering synthline in DJ Jan & Christophe Chantzis' remix of Theme From Norefjell? it has very distinct oscillator- and filter characteristics which i think is great for trance. i believe it's a Roland synth, perhaps a Juno or something?

(lo-fi) sample from Chemical Records

perhaps we shouldn't allow people to post threads like this without a sample ?

Allied Nations lets make this a rule please?

wow sorry for breaking your rule, man. i didn't post a sample because that would infringe with the copyrights, and also because i am unable to record the sample from vinyl to mp3. i just assumed "everyone" would have heard this track one time or another, or that those who have could answer my post. but ya, i can see if i can find some sample from an online vinyl shop or something

i wish i knew :/

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Originally posted by nephilim wow sorry for breaking your rule, man. i didn't post a sample because that would infringe with the copyrights, and also because i am unable to record the sample from vinyl to mp3. i just assumed "everyone" would have heard this track one time or another, or that those who have could answer my post. but ya, i can see if i can find some sample from an online vinyl shop or something

i'm not trying to be a dick man but this is the only production forum i'm part of that doesn't have this rule.

we're happy to help but i've never heard the song and that doesn't mean i don't know how to make it, i just don't know what it sounds like.

you can post a soundbyte of 10seconds and that will usually be enough to tell you some parts of the synth(disregarding lfo automation, modulation, etc). Or post 1 phrase of the melody for full help.

I dont know which synth this is but I bet you can come pretty close to this with z3ta+.

thanks for the replies, peeps. i've gotten a few different suggestions: access virus, z3ta+ vsti, wasp vsti.. i've tried to recreate the feeling with alot of different synths but i haven't managed to do that yet. sent a message to Chantzis himself, if he can't answer this, nobody can

stunning track by the way! brings back good memories.

i think it is probably a sample based workstation. like a trumpet sound with efx. you could make this almost unrealistic 'trumpet' sound on a dx7 i think - cos it reminds me of a yamaha fm sound trying to mimmic a trumpet or something.

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Originally posted by nephilim thanks for the replies, peeps. i've gotten a few different suggestions: access virus, z3ta+ vsti, wasp vsti.. i've tried to recreate the feeling with alot of different synths but i haven't managed to do that yet. sent a message to Chantzis himself, if he can't answer this, nobody can

was the wasp around in 2000? can't remember when it came with fruity hehe.. cant say ive ever used it lol :P

btw, what i find really amusing about this remix, is that it hasn't got any similarites to the original, not the chord progression, none of the hooks, and not the best part of the original, the ufo sonar thing at the beginning..

why not release it as an original track???

How bout this

http://www.lennardigital.com/files/...ell_sylenth.mp3

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Originally posted by adamtrance How bout this http://www.lennardigital.com/files/...ell_sylenth.mp3

pretty close, dude. how about sylenth1's filter section? do one of the filtering synthline too, cause that's the main synthline i'm after recreating also, if anyone ever used Rave eJay back in the days, a lot of those synth loops were created with the same synth i'm looking for

I didnt make this patch, Lennerd did, the developer of Sylenth 1. You can go to Kvr and get the patch, or ask him to make it better.

It is ok to upload a short soundclip of a peice of music you wish to get IDed. It is not ok to upload an entire copyrighted work.

I have not heard this song and I'm not sure why I should have heard it at some point or other. If uploading clips is illegal or against the rules then sites such as youtube.com wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be allowed to link to them if they did.

Without a soundclip I cannot help you unfortunately. You should be able to tell if its a Virus if you have ever used a Virus because it has a very unique sound. It is easy to tell if the sound of the raw oscillators gets through or if theres a filter sweep as you can tell the Virus filter a mile off.

It's hard to tell with the low quality sample, but it sounds an awful lot like a vengeance virus preset.
It's the first synth in the sample.
http://www.vengeance-storage.com/ww...l%20Schleis.mp3

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Originally posted by Eldritch It's hard to tell with the low quality sample, but it sounds an awful lot like a vengeance virus preset. It's the first synth in the sample. http://www.vengeance-storage.com/ww...l%20Schleis.mp3

thats a very close match

i dont think its from the venageance patch, since thsi remix was released in 2000.

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Originally posted by richg101 thats a very close match

yes i agree it's very close, but this track was released in 1999 and the only virus around then was the A (perhaps the B was out, it was released in late '99). i very much doubt that the synth in question here is a virus, unless the A sounds totally different than B (i've owned a KB for 3 years and i'm unable to recognize it as the synth in this clip, but yea i could be wrong).

listen to the filtrating synth and its portamento/filter characteristics. that's the main clue here.. i'm still waiting for Chantzis to answer my question (hope i don't get PWNED because i just sold my KB )

if you know/can find some other tracks by DJ Jan & Christophe Chantzis (from 1997 and up, the virus A was released in '97) you'll hear the same synth characteristics in those tracks. for example,

Perfect Sphere - Inner Glow (DJ Jan & Chantzis Remix)
Komakino - Man on Mars (DJ Jan Remix)
Absolom - Stars

also, some (if not all) of the "Rave eJay" synth loops from around 2000 are made with the same synth. i sent an e-mail to the eJay-guys but they couldn't answer me

Virus A,B and C sound near identical.
And I didn't say this patch was used for it.
It's pretty obvious that the vengeance patch was meant to emulate the lead in this track since the melody is very similar.

ok i think i've found out, could be a Roland JV-1080. will get it confirmed a bit later on thanks for the replies everyone

Great remix, loved it back then (still do actually).
The virus version comes close but is a tad too sharp. The original is more wooly. Let us know if it turns out to be the JV-1080, i'm curious now

- farris

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Originally posted by farris Great remix, loved it back then (still do actually). The virus version comes close but is a tad too sharp. The original is more wooly. Let us know if it turns out to be the JV-1080, i'm curious now - farris

ya man it's my favourite trance track ever

the jv1080 was a sample based machine wasnt it?

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Originally posted by richg101 the jv1080 was a sample based machine wasnt it?

yep that's right, man. Mystery solved! the synth i was looking for is most likely a ROM-based one from Roland, just checked some sound demos right now from the JV-1080 and it's got the same filter/waveforms. Could use any JV/XP synth because they have pretty much the same waveforms and filter.

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