TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Chill Out Room
-- Male freedom of choice?
Pages (20): [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 »

Male freedom of choice?

Should men be legally able to opt out of supporting a child that is the product of an unplanned pregnancy?

That is, if a woman and a man are not planning to have children and the woman gets pregnant and decides not to abort, should the man be forced to pay child support?

Consider: once the woman is pregnant, she has the choice as to whether she will ultimately become a mother by carrying to term, but as of now (legally), the man has no choice as to whether the woman carries to term and makes him a father. Forcing him to pay child support is, in effect, holding him responsible for a decision that the woman makes, the decision not to abort.

You might say, "No, he is being held responsible for his decision to have sex!" But this is the exact same argument used in favor of forcing women to carry a child to term and denying them abortion rights: if they would rather not carry a child to term, then they should just not have sex in the first place.

The arguments are symmetrical here, but the legal situation is not. In order to be logically consistent in the case of unplanned pregnancies, you must affirm both abortion rights for women and opt-out rights for men, or deny both rights to both parties.

you get someone pregnant, you pay...end of the fucking thread.
Man enough to breed=man enough to feed.

no.. im a guy .. i get my girl prego ill pay if we split simple as that. It takes 2 to tango and if you dont want a kid either cover your stump before you hump, ladies take a BC pill, or just dont have sex dang i just said that

It depends if the women asks for it or not. (It as in the child support) I wasn't a planned baby and my mom didn't ask for the child support. They weren't married nor planning on to. Also depends if they go to court for it and the court has to say about it. I've known couples who weren't going to have the man pay but somehow ended up in court( to fight for whose last name the child would get) and the court said he had to. I think he should.

this has prenup written all over it!

quote:

Originally posted by all-nite-freak you get someone pregnant, you pay...end of the fucking thread. Man enough to breed=man enough to feed.

Do you also believe that women should be forced to carry children to term, then?

That is the only logically consistent option, given your position.

you screwed some chick and got her knocked up didnt you

men are forced to continue paying child support for children they've proven are not theirs through paternity tests several years later. should this be the case? that's the real issue.

Nope. This is just legal debate for the heck of it.

quote:

Originally posted by lex400sc men are forced to continue paying child support for children they've proven are not theirs through paternity tests several years later. should this be the case? that's the real issue.

That is a related but important issue, yes.

quote:

Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you also believe that women should be forced to carry children to term, then? That is the only logically consistent option, given your position.

no...she can choose to abort.Its seems illogical, but everything is when it comes to pussy.Some are beefy, some are pretty,some blow air in your face when you play with them too much.All is irrelavent.If the the glove does not fit the bitch has aids

quote:

Originally posted by lex400sc men are forced to continue paying child support for children they've proven are not theirs through paternity tests several years later. should this be the case? that's the real issue.

in this case the man should be allowed to sever ties and have his mates vagina sewn shut.

quote:

Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you also believe that women should be forced to carry children to term, then? That is the only logically consistent option, given your position.

i can kinda of see where you are going but what guy does not know what he is getting into or could get into when he puts his dick in?

quote:

Originally posted by lex400sc men are forced to continue paying child support for children they've proven are not theirs through paternity tests several years later. should this be the case? that's the real issue.

The law always sides with the female and that's a load of bs from the judicial system.


I know someone who has ... 7 kids! Well he just got divorced from his wife because for a couple years she kept leaving all the time and was just a bad mother. .... now the parents of his ex-wife are trying to get the kids back because of grand parent rights and stuff ...

so retarded


I hate that the man is always viewed as automatically at fault

quote:

Originally posted by grooviebeats i can kinda of see where you are going but what guy does not know what he is getting into or could get into when he puts his dick in?

Does the woman not know what she is getting into when she lets him put his dick in? Therefore she should not be allowed to abort.

That is the logic, at least.

quote:

Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Does the woman not know what she is getting into when she lets him put his dick in? Therefore she should not be allowed to abort. That is the logic, at least.

all this talk of logic reeks of virginity and star trek conventions.
Life isnt always logical.

quote:

Originally posted by all-nite-freak Life isnt always logical.

Sure. But I think legal decisions should be logical. Do you disagree?

definitely in favor of opt-out.

quote:

Originally posted by all-nite-freak all this talk of logic reeks of virginity and star trek conventions. Life isnt always logical.

human beings aren't always logically consistent with themselves, but they definitely are logical, as is life.

quote:

Originally posted by jdat The law always sides with the female and that's a load of bs from the judicial system. I know someone who has ... 7 kids! Well he just got divorced from his wife because for a couple years she kept leaving all the time and was just a bad mother. .... now the parents of his ex-wife are trying to get the kids back because of grand parent rights and stuff ... so retarded I hate that the man is always viewed as automatically at fault

grandparent rights? wtf are those?

god damn bojingles
thats an incredibly interesting argument
not even in a joking way, thats a really good point
lol

quote:

Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Sure. But I think legal decisions should be logical. Do you disagree?

tell that to oj simpson

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Could you clarify?

quote:

Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Could you clarify?

penis+vagina=sometimes baby=you have to pay even if its ugly and you don't want it.
why?because thats life.

quote:

Originally posted by all-nite-freak penis+vagina=sometimes baby=you have to pay even if its ugly and you don't want it. why?because thats life.

Well, that is certainly the current social consensus. Until not so long ago, it was also "life" that women were legally forced to carry children to term.

quote:

Originally posted by gehzumteufel grandparent rights? wtf are those?

rights for visitation etc... but ultimately they want their daughter to get the kids back despite the fact she is totally messed up

the law in France is a bit weird.
I also happen to know a lady from Brazil who lives here. She got pregnant with this guy she was in a relationship with ( no marriage ) and she broke it off ... she decided to move across the country as to get away from the grandparents... ultimately she would like to leave France and move back to Brazil with her kid ( who is 5 or so now ) but she is stuck in a legal battle that she can't leave because of the grandparents despite the fact she gets no pension or anything ( she refuses their money or money from the father ). If she leaves to go to Brazil without the grandparents authorizing it she will be pursuable for child kidnapping ... and the kid lives with her and she takes care of him 100%


stupid laws

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.