Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US

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Posted by NYCTrancefan on Feb-10-2007 16:13:

Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6349287.stm

Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world.
America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit.

Correspondents say the strident speech may signal a more assertive Russia.

US defence secretary Robert Gates, also attending the summit in Munich, said only that the Russian leader had been "very candid".

Mr Putin told senior security officials from around the world that nations were "witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations".

What we are talking about here is a very, very sensitive technology, and for that reason we need a high degree of transparency...

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"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way," he said, speaking through a translator.

"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law.

"This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons."

BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson, in Munich, said Mr Putin's speech was a strident performance which may well be remembered as a turning point in international relations.

While the new US defence secretary had little to say about the speech, US Senator Joseph Lieberman described it as "provocative."

Its rhetoric "sounded more like the Cold War", the senator said.

Mr Putin's spokesman Dimitry Peskov said the speech was "not about confrontation, it's an invitation to think".

"Until we get rid of unilateralism in international affairs, until we exclude the possibility of imposing one country's views on others, we will not have stability," he said.

--- Hey Bush and Co. do you still look into his eyes and see his soul. You may attempt to assert some New World Order around the globe but be aware people will push back, be it Russia, China, or whomever. Military action can only go so far as this admin. has learnt harshly in Iraq.

Posted by Q5echo on Feb-10-2007 17:29:

Russia's been giving nuclear technology to the lowest bidders years long before Bushitler ever thought about being president. it has nothing to do with Bushitlers remaining 98 weeks in office.

they will continue to do so long after Bushitler's Constitutionally mandated 2 terms.

...and like everything else, Iraq too will pass.

what Putin says should mean very little to people who know. it's what he does that matters.

if you let him lead you to believe that a US war with China and/or Russia is inevitable, then shame on you.

don't ever be afraid to stand behind liberty.

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Feb-10-2007 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
what Putin says should mean very little to people who know. it's what he does that matters.

if you let him lead you to believe that a US war with China and/or Russia is inevitable, then shame on you.

don't ever be afraid to stand behind liberty.

I could care less about Vladmir Putin or George W. Bush and their remarks about freedom and democracy. Iraq has demonstrated in no uncertain terms the capabilities of achieving democracy at the barrel of a gun. What you seem to not grasp Q5 is my slightly pejorative attempt at highlighting how some of the most questionable of leaders can now assert the U.S. is the arbiter of global unrest and lacking crediblity to make assertions about Democratic principles around the world.

Might I ask "stand behind what liberty" are you speaking of. Its up to individuals in their own nations to stand up for their liberties and thus their future destiny, which they will in turn be responsible for. The concept of liberty has become so cheapened and trite today with far more influences at play than such a principle when our politicians speak. Don't ever be afraid to question what they say and moreover the true motives behind it.

Posted by Magnetonium on Feb-10-2007 20:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
Russia's been giving nuclear technology to the lowest bidders years long before Bushitler ever thought about being president. it has nothing to do with Bushitlers remaining 98 weeks in office.

they will continue to do so long after Bushitler's Constitutionally mandated 2 terms.

...and like everything else, Iraq too will pass.

what Putin says should mean very little to people who know. it's what he does that matters.

if you let him lead you to believe that a US war with China and/or Russia is inevitable, then shame on you.

don't ever be afraid to stand behind liberty.

... and USA has been giving nuclear technology to others as well: UK, France, Israel, Canada ...

Posted by Q5echo on Feb-10-2007 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium
and USA has been giving nuclear technology to others as well: UK, France, Israel, Canada

Ahh yes! more moral equivalence!

Canada huh? staggering

Posted by Magnetonium on Feb-10-2007 22:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
Ahh yes! more moral equivalence!

Canada huh? staggering

Kazakhstan, eh? Staggering

Posted by Q5echo on Feb-10-2007 22:57:

quote:
Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
I could care less about Vladmir Putin or George W. Bush and their remarks about freedom and democracy. Iraq has demonstrated in no uncertain terms the capabilities of achieving democracy at the barrel of a gun.

you should care a little what those two say about freedom and democracy if you believe at all in freedom and democracy because it's those two who, arguably, have the most resources to affect the progress or decline of freedom and democracy in places that could most need it. Iraq has demonstarted in very certain terms it's willingness to join the fold like most Arab countries, but how easy is it to confuse the rationale of a murderous group of fundies with the capabilities or lack therof in a country with Iraq's history?

what you have to ask yourself is are they worth the effort? i think they are and their success is worth the Greater Middle East. the rest is noise.

i might add that there are no greater Democracies in history than were born from the barrel of a gun.

quote:
What you seem to not grasp Q5 is my slightly pejorative attempt at highlighting how some of the most questionable of leaders can now assert the U.S. is the arbiter of global unrest and lacking crediblity to make assertions about Democratic principles around the world.

my bad then.

thats his problem. i know better.

Posted by Q5echo on Feb-10-2007 23:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

Kazakhstan, eh? Staggering

WTF are you talking about?

Kazkhstan inherited their weapons from your mother country.

Posted by Fir3start3r on Feb-11-2007 00:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

... and USA has been giving nuclear technology to others as well: UK, France, Israel, Canada ...

...yea, there's all pretty darn scary countries....booga booga

Posted by DJ Shibby on Feb-11-2007 00:28:

oh great

here we go again

Posted by Fir3start3r on Feb-11-2007 03:20:

Putin's justification to starting up the Cold War again?
Cause we all know how well THAT worked for the Ruskies...

Posted by Magnetonium on Feb-11-2007 05:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Putin's justification to starting up the Cold War again?
Cause we all know how well THAT worked for the Ruskies...

This time Russia's not the one pushing everyone around and invading countries breaking international law.

I am sure Putin was speaking on behalf of everyone present in that meeting, all those countries.