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Posted by SuspicionVandit on Feb-11-2007 04:45:

government: "If it's hittable, it's jailable"

quote:

http://news.com.com/Police+blotter+...tml?tag=newsmap
What: Teenagers taking risque photos of themselves are prosecuted for violating child pornography laws.

When: Florida state appeals court rules on January 19.

Outcome: A 2-1 majority upholds conviction on grounds the girl produced a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child.

What happened, according to court documents:
Combine unsupervised teenagers, digital cameras and e-mail, and, given sufficient time, you'll end up with risque photographs on a computer somewhere.

There's a problem with that: Technically, those images constitute child pornography. That's what 16-year-old Amber and 17-year-old Jeremy, her boyfriend, both residents of the Tallahassee, Fla., area, learned firsthand. (Court documents include only their initials, A.H. and J.G.W., so we're using these pseudonyms to make this story a little easier to read.)

On March 25, 2004, Amber and Jeremy took digital photos of themselves naked and engaged in unspecified "sexual behavior." The two sent the photos from a computer at Amber's house to Jeremy's personal e-mail address. Neither teen showed the photographs to anyone else.

Court records don't say exactly what happened next--perhaps the parents wanted to end the relationship and raised the alarm--but somehow Florida police learned about the photos.

Amber and Jeremy were arrested. Each was charged with producing, directing or promoting a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child. Based on the contents of his e-mail account, Jeremy was charged with an extra count of possession of child pornography.

Some more background: Under a 1995 ruling in a case called B.B. v. State, the Florida Supreme Court said that a 16-year-old could not be found delinquent for having sex with another 16-year-old.

"The crux of the state's interest in an adult-minor situation is the prevention of exploitation of the minor by the adult," the majority said at the time. The court ruled that a Florida statute punishing sex between teens was "unconstitutional as applied to this 16-year-old as a basis for a delinquency proceeding."

The same applies to Amber and Jeremy. Even though he is a year older than her, he is still a minor in Florida.

In other words, under Florida law, Amber and Jeremy would be legally permitted to engage in carnal relations, but they're criminals if they document it.

Amber's attorney claimed that the right to privacy protected by the Florida Constitution shielded the teen from prosecution, an argument that a trial judge rejected. Amber pleaded no contest to the charges and was placed on probation, though she reserved her right to appeal her constitutional claim.

By a 2-1 vote, the appeals court didn't buy it. Judge James Wolf, a former prosecutor, wrote the majority opinion.

Wolf speculated that Amber and Jeremy could have ended up selling the photos to child pornographers ("one motive for revealing the photos is profit") or showing the images to their friends. He claimed that Amber had neither the "foresight or maturity" to make a reasonable estimation of the risks on her own. And he said that transferring the images from a digital camera to a PC created innumerable problems: "The two computers (can) be hacked."

Judge Philip Padovano dissented. He wrote that the law "was designed to protect children from abuse by others, but it was used in this case to punish a child for her own mistake. In my view, the application of this criminal statute to the conduct at issue violates the child's right to privacy under Article 1, Section 23 of the Florida Constitution."


i don't want to go to jail


Posted by Spacey Orange on Feb-11-2007 04:58:

i doubt the florida ruling has precedential value in Silent Hill


Posted by RandomGirl on Feb-11-2007 05:14:

Fucking people are stupid.


Posted by SuspicionVandit on Feb-11-2007 05:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i doubt the florida ruling has precedential value in Silent Hill


george bush is hinting at spreading democracy to my universe


Posted by Mattis on Feb-11-2007 06:49:

Seriously retarded.

Another girl was prosecuted a few years back for taking photos of herself masturbating. She was like 15 or something.


THEY CHARGED HER WITH CHILD ABUSE ON HERSELF AND PRODUCTION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY OF HERSELF...


I MEAN COME THE FUCK ON!


Posted by R!CH on Feb-11-2007 07:08:

this country is fucking lame when it comes to law.


Posted by malek on Feb-11-2007 08:27:

do they have to take pics of themselves naked ?

the thing you guys don't get is that they can easily fall in the wrong hands, relationships can turn sour in a blink of an eye.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Feb-11-2007 08:53:

quote:
Wolf speculated that Amber and Jeremy could have ended up selling the photos to child pornographers ("one motive for revealing the photos is profit") or showing the images to their friends.


haha, I like how people can be punished by the law for what they could do.

Fuck this country and fuck its people. (this is the 2nd time I have said that today, wheeee)


Posted by Zharen on Feb-11-2007 12:44:

Pretty stupid. I mean yes, the kids shouldn't have taken nude pics of themselves anyway, but since when were committing crimes on yourself...a crime? I mean this is the equivalent of a teen who attempted suicide to be charged with attempted murder. What the Hell happened to free will and equal rights? If people want to do stupid things to themselves, than that's all fine by me. But I think it's pointless and an utter waste of tax dollars for them to go to jail for it. What he could have done nice. This is almost like Minority Report now.


Posted by washout on Feb-11-2007 12:48:

i think those kids are off to the start of great sexual careers, either way.


Posted by Ian on Feb-11-2007 13:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
haha, I like how people can be punished by the law for what they could do.

Fuck this country and fuck its people. (this is the 2nd time I have said that today, wheeee)


precisely. When you're that age, you have no idea of the consequences of things, especially if you're in love, the world seems a whole different place to what you find it out to be.


Posted by Orbax on Feb-11-2007 14:07:

uhm under that same logic of the primary cause of alarm being the ability of computer to be hacked and files accessed...wouldnt that mean that any person owning a computer is liable as well due to the fact that they could be hacked and child porn put ONTO them?

If he is going to make a claim under tort law and then try that logic...wow. Especially if you consider Tort law being something you prosecute people for AFTER something has happened and you are showing they should have known better.

Also, I can kind of see why he did that IF they looked at that kids computer and it was pics of him giving the thumbs up and railing in her arse and then cumming all over her face and he kept the pictures in a folder on his comp called "My fuck gallery"

If it was just sitting there in the archived section of his gmail account and it was just a naked 16 year old girl... i mean who doesnt have those!


Posted by all-nite-freak on Feb-11-2007 14:18:


Posted by Orbax on Feb-11-2007 14:26:

quote:
Originally posted by all-nite-freak


queerest reply ever


Posted by jdat on Feb-11-2007 16:17:

only in Florida


Posted by Psy-T on Feb-11-2007 17:05:

see, jean-pierre? that's just the tip of the fucking iceberg


Posted by DarkAngel on Feb-11-2007 17:29:

This country used to be great....used to stand for something....



...back in 1776.



Now 230 years later, it's gone down the shitter, and swirling.


Bah.


Posted by EXTREMUM on Feb-11-2007 17:43:

quote:
Originally posted by DarkAngel
This country used to be great....used to stand for something....



...back in 1776.



Now 230 years later, it's gone down the shitter, and swirling.


Bah.


I wanna move to my hertiageland - Greece or Italy, ftw.


Posted by SuspicionVandit on Feb-11-2007 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by EXTREMUM
I wanna move to my hertiageland - Greece or Italy, ftw.


mexico kicks their asses (assi is plural??)


Posted by Enigmatic XTC on Feb-11-2007 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Zharen
I mean this is the equivalent of a teen who attempted suicide to be charged with attempted murder.

Actually, if you attempt suicide you can be arrested. You are arrested for attempted suicide though, not attempted murder.


Posted by nikhil chinapa on Feb-11-2007 20:41:

Waitaminute....

If my sister sends me pictures of her 4 and 2 year old sons naked in the kiddie pool in their yard, she's commiting a crime????

WTF???


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-11-2007 20:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Mattis
Seriously retarded.

Another girl was prosecuted a few years back for taking photos of herself masturbating. She was like 15 or something.


THEY CHARGED HER WITH CHILD ABUSE ON HERSELF AND PRODUCTION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY OF HERSELF...


I MEAN COME THE FUCK ON!


LOL

That's all kinds of awesome. I bet the prosecutor is mighty proud of himself for winning that case.

Dammit, if I'm underaged and I want to flash my goods on the internet for a bunch of pervs to see, that should be my constitutional right!!!


Posted by all-nite-freak on Feb-11-2007 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by pmoisse
LOL

That's all kinds of awesome. I bet the prosecutor is mighty proud of himself for winning that case.

Dammit, if I'm underaged and I want to flash my goods on the internet for a bunch of pervs to see, that should be my constitutional right!!!



a/s/l/?


Posted by denys envy on Feb-11-2007 22:03:

This is Paris Hilton's fault.


Posted by EXTREMUM on Feb-11-2007 22:15:


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