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Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-14-2007 05:39:

what in the james zabiela is going on here.....

Watch this clip. Is this just a looped sample he is scratching on?

What is bangin track at the beginning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViHJMEonZe0&NR


Posted by idoru on Feb-14-2007 05:42:

Yes, that "Zabiela-style" scratching involves looping the scratch sample. Also, you can tell it's a loop because the two yellow lights in the top corner of the CDJ (the loop in/out adjust) are flashing.


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-14-2007 05:44:

Where can you find scratch samples or do you have to make your own?


Posted by Allied Nations on Feb-14-2007 05:49:

quote:
Originally posted by xstalkrx
Where can you find scratch samples or do you have to make your own?





By some battle records and rip them, then scratch + loop that scratch.


Posted by nrjizer on Feb-14-2007 05:56:

You can get scratch sounds on Beatport. Look in their DJ Tools section and buy some that you like.

The Zabiela CDJ scratch works like this:

You have to loop your sample on the CDJ to make a constant sound. This loop needs to be close in time to the track you will be scratching over.

Next you must run your scratch loop through your EFX 500 or 1000. Have the EFX set to Transform. 1/4 and 1/2 are the most common and useful timesettings (I'm pretty sure JZ has it on 1/4 in that clip), but experiment and find what works right for you.

IMPORTANT: your EFX unit *MUST* be in time with the song over which you are scratching! If you leave it's BPM counter to "auto" it will come up with some weird time setting based on your scratch loop, and it will sound weird and out of time. Before you scratch, run your main track through the EFX unit until it correctly count's the tempo. Then just press the "tap" button once (ONLY once) and it will lock onto that time setting, and no longer automatically adjust itself. Now you can scratch.


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-14-2007 06:11:

cool but I dont have an fx processor.

I do have a djm-400. I think my mixer locks the bpm automatically. But it doesnt have transform and Im sure it wouldnt be the same.

What exactly does the tap button do on the djm-400?


Posted by idoru on Feb-14-2007 06:12:

1/4 is indeed the correct setting. I have the sample that Zabs uses along with a ton of others that he uses, and I'd be inclined to say it's the same exact pack as his. It's only on CD now, I snagged it when someone upped it to Pioneer's forums. I can rip it for you if you'd like.


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-14-2007 06:21:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
1/4 is indeed the correct setting. I have the sample that Zabs uses along with a ton of others that he uses, and I'd be inclined to say it's the same exact pack as his. It's only on CD now, I snagged it when someone upped it to Pioneer's forums. I can rip it for you if you'd like.


mmm yes I'd like!


Posted by idoru on Feb-14-2007 06:30:

I'll have it up for you sometime tomorrow.


Posted by Allied Nations on Feb-14-2007 06:48:

Wow... people should at least do some hunting for scratch sample... is it just the classic wahh?


Posted by idoru on Feb-14-2007 06:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Allied Nations
Wow... people should at least do some hunting for scratch sample... is it just the classic wahh?


Yep. It's the pack with all of the basics.


Posted by Nemesis44 on Feb-14-2007 09:45:

As stated before, the source of the classic Wahh sound is "Un salle histoire" by B-Side.

But is found on any battle pack worth it's salt.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by Trance Android on Feb-14-2007 10:22:

quote:
Originally posted by xstalkrx
What exactly does the tap button do on the djm-400?


Dude the tap button just lets you manually tell the unit what the BPM is. You literally just tap in time with the beat so the unit knows what the BPM is coz if you set an effect to run for say 16 beats but at the wrong BPM it will sound shit

Some units (like EFX1000 & DJM909 & prob others) also let you "dial" up the BPM if you already know what it is.


Posted by Tangil on Feb-14-2007 11:21:

Thumbs up

awesome clip


Posted by DJRecess on Feb-14-2007 12:07:

Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE39A2hgZ64


It'll show you pretty much what he's done in the last video (though the tunes are different to protect the innocent)...

(the scratch sample's the same though.)


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-14-2007 20:38:

you can do this with a cdj-800? The scratching that zabiela is doing I mean.

Because I see him touching the platter sometimes, and just barely moving the platter there towards the end. Well on a cdj-800 I know that If I am touching the platter at all then the loop will stop unless I take my hand off.

Someone help clarify.

I'm a scratching noob.


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-17-2007 18:41:

bump for last question ^^^


Posted by Nemesis44 on Feb-17-2007 22:37:

You are right, the loop will stop if you put your hand on it but don't forget he is also using an EFX500 that incorporates various effects such as delay, transform, jet, pan and all sorts of stuff. What he is doing is actually quite simple but sounds cool.

You can scratch as you want on the 800, but the deck is only the sound source. It's what you do with the faders and effects that really makes the difference.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-18-2007 03:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
You are right, the loop will stop if you put your hand on it but don't forget he is also using an EFX500 that incorporates various effects such as delay, transform, jet, pan and all sorts of stuff. What he is doing is actually quite simple but sounds cool.

You can scratch as you want on the 800, but the deck is only the sound source. It's what you do with the faders and effects that really makes the difference.

Cheers
Nem


I'm wondering if I can mimick this by using the delay or echo effect on my djm-400?

I'm not worried about the transform part here, I'd just like to be able to keep the soung while touching the top of the platter.


Posted by Acid John on Feb-18-2007 11:09:

quote:
Originally posted by DJRecess
Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE39A2hgZ64


It'll show you pretty much what he's done in the last video (though the tunes are different to protect the innocent)...

(the scratch sample's the same though.)


aside from the crazy scratching, and the potential to learn a thing or two from him... does anyone wanna hang with him, just cuz? he seems like quite the character.....


Posted by Transfusion on Feb-18-2007 12:09:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Yep. It's the pack with all of the basics.


Does beatport have such a pack, I don't find it at the moment?


Posted by Transfusion on Feb-18-2007 13:05:

Btw, does somebody knows what dj tool eddie is using here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJ2yr17-As


Posted by idoru on Feb-18-2007 19:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance Android
Dude the tap button just lets you manually tell the unit what the BPM is. You literally just tap in time with the beat so the unit knows what the BPM is coz if you set an effect to run for say 16 beats but at the wrong BPM it will sound shit


Tapping it wont get it perfectly in time, either. It will get it close, sure, but you'll want to fine tune it as much as possible (if you're a perfectionist like myself) and that would require adjusting the pitch on the track you're scratching over.

And I'll upload the sample pack today. When I first posted this it sounded like there was only one person interested and I ended up forgetting about it. I get home from work today and I have 12 PMs from people asking for it. It'll be up shortly.

Edit:
quote:
Originally posted by Transfusion
Btw, does somebody knows what dj tool eddie is using here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJ2yr17-As


Your standard CDJ-1000 and what looks like a DJM-something or other.


Posted by Konix on Feb-18-2007 19:55:

quote:
I'm wondering if I can mimick this by using the delay or echo effect on my djm-400?


No, I don't think so with the 400. On the 909 you can. The echo on the EFX-500/1000 is really a hold echo (which is the name of the effect on the 909) when at full depth.

quote:
Btw, does somebody knows what dj tool eddie is using here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJ2yr17-As
quote:
Your standard CDJ-1000 and what looks like a DJM-something or other.


I think he was referring to the sound Eddie was using. It just sounds like your everyday synth tone, made into a short loop.


Posted by xstalkrx on Feb-18-2007 20:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Konix
No, I don't think so with the 400. On the 909 you can. The echo on the EFX-500/1000 is really a hold echo (which is the name of the effect on the 909) when at full depth.



I think he was referring to the sound Eddie was using. It just sounds like your everyday synth tone, made into a short loop. [/QUOTE]

when james is using the xfader...does he move the fader all the way to the other end of the board?


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