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6% rule in mixing in key...

I know that if you have to pitch up a track by around 6%, then the key has changed to +7 round the Camelot Ring.

What I need to know is that if I have to slow down a track by 6% do I just subtract the key by -7 on the table to give me my new key?

Cheers

PS - how many of you just use Master Tempo so that you dont have to bother with paying attention to your pitch?

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I know that if you have to pitch up a track by around 6%, then the key has changed to +7 round the Camelot Ring. What I need to know is that if I have to slow down a track by 6% do I just subtract the key by -7 on the table to give me my new key?

Correct =)

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PS - how many of you just use Master Tempo so that you dont have to bother with paying attention to your pitch?

I almost always use Master Tempo.
I also calculate the Key & BPM for all of my tracks, because when I'm on Master Tempo I don't like to go over 3% because it starts to sound weird.

I only unlock the "Master Tempo" when I want to change the key of a song to be mixable with another song.

Good Luck

Pepa

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Originally posted by Pinokio when I'm on Master Tempo I don't like to go over 3% because it starts to sound weird.

I see a lot of people say this, and I've definitely experienced similar phenomena - but it's very subjective. Sometimes it sounds fine with MT on and pitched way up, sometimes it sounds horrid - In my experience, you just have to check, track for track.

The biggest issue I've had with MT over 3% is that sometimes (for whatever reason) beatmatching/corrections seem to get harder.

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The biggest issue I've had with MT over 3% is that sometimes (for whatever reason) beatmatching/corrections seem to get harder.

This is exactly what I experience on some tracks. Some beats sound slightly stretched and I think that this gives the impression that it's out of time so then you'll try and correct it only to find that it was in time and now you have just knocked it out of time - if that makes sense!

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Originally posted by agentdansmith This is exactly what I experience on some tracks. Some beats sound slightly stretched and I think that this gives the impression that it's out of time so then you'll try and correct it only to find that it was in time and now you have just knocked it out of time - if that makes sense!

That actually makes absolutely perfect sense to me - especially considering the difficulty I had with a particular mix out last weekend.

Can anyone explain why this happens for some tunes and not others?

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Originally posted by RJT That actually makes absolutely perfect sense to me - especially considering the difficulty I had with a particular mix out last weekend. Can anyone explain why this happens for some tunes and not others?

i'm just guessing here and have no idea if i'm right or wrong, but could it be that the beat sound on some tracks is "longer". so that by stretching it up it goes fucked, just like some long strings might get fucked when using master tempo.

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Originally posted by skip i'm just guessing here and have no idea if i'm right or wrong, but could it be that the beat sound on some tracks is "longer". so that by stretching it up it goes fucked, just like some long strings might get fucked when using master tempo.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

i honestly think all this whining about harmonic mixin is pure crap

if it sounds good, it sounds good
if it doenst sound good, it doesnt sound good


ITS JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT

we are all dj's, not scientists with dj booth

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Originally posted by DJ_Progrezz we are all dj's, not scientists with dj booth

Those guys are Dj's, expanding their horizon and expirementing with their techniques.

You, on the other hand, seem just a retard to me; who is clearly not capable of understanding what they're talking about.

Of course it's not necessary to mix with master tempo, but how can you make such a pointless reply ffs.

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Originally posted by Push2005 Those guys are Dj's, expanding their horizon and expirementing with their techniques. You, on the other hand, seem just a retard to me; who is clearly not capable of understanding what they're talking about. Of course it's not necessary to mix with master tempo, but how can you make such a pointless reply ffs.

as i said, it don't make a fuck if it's in key or not, if it sounds good, it's good

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Originally posted by DJ_Progrezz as i said, it don't make a fuck if it's in key or not, if it sounds good, it's good

What sounds good to you is most likely a nasty ear bleed to people that mix in key.

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Originally posted by DJ_Progrezz i honestly think all this whining about harmonic mixin is pure crap if it sounds good, it sounds good if it doenst sound good, it doesnt sound good ITS JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT we are all dj's, not scientists with dj booth

idiot.

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Originally posted by DJ_Progrezz if it sounds good, it's good

Thats probably because you fluked a mix in key.

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Originally posted by RJT I see a lot of people say this, and I've definitely experienced similar phenomena - but it's very subjective. Sometimes it sounds fine with MT on and pitched way up, sometimes it sounds horrid - In my experience, you just have to check, track for track.

That's a better answer

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The biggest issue I've had with MT over 3% is that sometimes (for whatever reason) beatmatching/corrections seem to get harder.

When I have MT, sometimes the track seems to make sudden "jumps" out of a beat, and it gives you the idea of being out of time.

About the correction, I remember when I used Traktor DJ Studio, when I had MT on, the pitch bending was way more sensitive than when MT was off (I could notice this because it shows you a graphic of the pitch bend function).

I guess that the pitch bending is also more sensitive with MT on the CDJ's.

This happens to me, and it sounds galloped but its actually perfeectly beatmatched, i noticed with MT some beats sound like a kick/clap at the same time...forcing me to flatten out highs and mids to compensate this...

i personally avoid master tempo because i know there are going to be "artifacts" present in the sound...

HOWEVER i almost always use it on vocal tracks or tracks that are very well-known where the crowd will know that the pitch is off...

I think it was a good feature to have on the cdj's 1000 but using it does indeed make the sound jitter.

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Originally posted by DJ_Progrezz as i said, it don't make a fuck if it's in key or not, if it sounds good, it's good

I'd love to hear your mixes then

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Originally posted by dj darroch I'd love to hear your mixes then

"Sounding good" is subjective anyway. Some people like the clash in key as it provides a strange dissonance that they enjoy. So it's really a pointless argument.

It's equally dumb to say that there's no point in mixing harmonically though.

Hey guys,

MT will distort the sound as it essentically is a form of time stretch.
Agreed with Z, it's far less noticable on vocal. The main problems come with the low frequencies, for some reason it doesn't handle them as well. MT can make a track playing by itself almost sound like a badly matched mix because the kick starts doubling up.

With regards to using it, I use it if I have to but most times I will just match tracks that work.

With regard to the +/-6% stuff, yes it works the same way both ways, but remember that it's a difference of 6% between each track that matters and not from the 0 point.

As for those who don't like harmonic mixing... fine, enjoy your DJing. It's worth giving it a go but no one will crucify your not doing it. Somepeople can do it by ear. It's just a question of having good music memory and an ability to remember the pitch of tracks, something which the majority of people can not do, but can develop to a greater or lesser degree.

Remember guys this is supposed to be fun, no point getting personal about it.

Cheers
Nem

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