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can someone pls explain to me how this set up works?

http://www.pioneerprodj.com/rigs.html

why so much mixers?

just to show off?

thats the answer im looking for!thanks!

Re: can someone pls explain to me how this set up works?

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Originally posted by MiguelD http://www.pioneerprodj.com/rigs.html why so much mixers?

the only reason to have so many mixers here is honestly...probably just to show off.

although you could put multiple dj's working at the same time...I have seen it done here in Dallas before. But this is rarely done..and i dont think very practical.

I guess if you two people working off each other real well. Then that could work.

if the mixers are different models it could be just that some DJs playing there prefer to have this or that mixer...

at the club I am resident, we have like 4-5 mixers...just cuz everyone likes to work with different shit...I can say I honestly love pioneer mixers...

For some time there was a problem and I had to use a DJX700 by Behringer...it was kinda lame that after two parties the faders started to fuck up.

The answer is "To sell shit for Pioneer."

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I've actually played on that setup and the audio setup like a 2x4 setup. The middle DJM-1000 is like the main control station that keeps the other mixers linked. Since this is a VJ/DJ station, it's set up so that a VJ and DJ can play simulateously. Since you have the DJM 1000 in the middle, you can then also allow for a third dj or laptop performance as well.

Wasn't that the setting for a promotional video done by Pioneer?

Either way, sure VJing seems cool and all but I think in the long run it's not what clubbers are about and will still have trouble catching on with the general dancefloor crowds. Most people on the nights I play are too into the music to worry about images.

Still there is a time and a place for everything.

Didn't think much of the write up by Pioneer either saying who needs a DJ when you have a VJ?
Well the answer is that you need a DJ when you want someone to read and understand the crowd, VJing as it is right now still requires a lot of preparation before hand and isn't spontaneus enough to cope with a true dance floor.

Cheers
Nem

The writer of that article was definitely a "brochure" writer. But it is on the Pioneer Website. Actually, I see visual/audio collaboration of performance as an innovation to the taking the dj performance to the next level. While I don't see it kicking off with much success in the American Club Scene, mainly because far too many clubbers are too busy looking at each other, I can see it being an effective performance tool in the arena rave (or even underground rave/art festivals).

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO I've actually played on that setup and the audio setup like a 2x4 setup. The middle DJM-1000 is like the main control station that keeps the other mixers linked. Since this is a VJ/DJ station, it's set up so that a VJ and DJ can play simulateously. Since you have the DJM 1000 in the middle, you can then also allow for a third dj or laptop performance as well.

You are correct. That is a 2x4 setup.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Wasn't that the setting for a promotional video done by Pioneer? Either way, sure VJing seems cool and all but I think in the long run it's not what clubbers are about and will still have trouble catching on with the general dancefloor crowds. Most people on the nights I play are too into the music to worry about images. Still there is a time and a place for everything. Didn't think much of the write up by Pioneer either saying who needs a DJ when you have a VJ? Well the answer is that you need a DJ when you want someone to read and understand the crowd, VJing as it is right now still requires a lot of preparation before hand and isn't spontaneus enough to cope with a true dance floor. Cheers Nem

I really don't agree with a lot of what you are saying here. I think a lot of the more "cutting edge" parties are making sure of high quality visuals and they end up becoming a huge part of the night.

We had a great VJ at a party on Friday with minimal DJ Ben Parris who was actually using a camcorder and a lightbox manipulating images on the fly and adding his own personal touches as he went on. He had a bunch of stuff going on, sure, but to say he wasn't able to move and progress his images along with the us dancers is false. Sure there are shitty VJs like there are shitty DJs, but I think as time goes on VJing is going to get better and better as new soft and hardware are released.

Yeah, I was at Mansion down in on SoBe last Friday for my birthday and I think they had some kind of dual setup as well where one guy was straight up DJing while another guy was VJing. It was pretty damn cool.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I really don't agree with a lot of what you are saying here. I think a lot of the more "cutting edge" parties are making sure of high quality visuals and they end up becoming a huge part of the night. We had a great VJ at a party on Friday with minimal DJ Ben Parris who was actually using a camcorder and a lightbox manipulating images on the fly and adding his own personal touches as he went on. He had a bunch of stuff going on, sure, but to say he wasn't able to move and progress his images along with the us dancers is false. Sure there are shitty VJs like there are shitty DJs, but I think as time goes on VJing is going to get better and better as new soft and hardware are released.

Our experiences differ obviously, but I think you hit the nail on the head and sort of proved my point a little without knowing it. What you describe sounds a lot cooler than a guy using VJs and I have seen this being done, but in all honesty the only time I have seen visuals really work in a club is when the clubbers themselves feature in them. That's the only time I have seen them get any real attention.

I have seen DJ Yoda do the visual thing with DVJs and have to say that the experience was definately worth while but not one I would assosciate with the general clubbing vibe.

Maybe it's just a question of Trance producers commissioning better videos perhaps with this in mind and we could see a real leap forward.

I do want to make myself clear though, I am not against technology or development, I just in my own opinion believe that this is not the next thing.... ok famous last words and all that he he he.

Visuals have been going on since the 60's and they have always been a backdrop rather than a main feature for the simple reason that people or not their to watch them, ultimately for a lot of clubbers it's about getting it on with a member of the opposite sex and visuals generally don't promote this kind of action, if you catch my drift.

I'm just calling it how I see it and from my own experience with visuals. We can't forget that we as a community get quite tied up in technology and the how to's, sometimes maybe we forget that your average clubber might not be into that. Let's face it, we are anoraks in the highest degree, but we love it.

The main reason I said that VJs have trouble interacting is because a lot of, if not all the material is prepared before hand and is even rehearsed, Yes I know a few big guns of the vinyl/CD world do this too and generally am not a big fan of it but can see the need with visuals.
I do agree though that it's not a bad thing that companies are trying to take the clubbing experience to the next level, that has to be good for all of us.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Visuals have been going on since the 60's and they have always been a backdrop rather than a main feature for the simple reason that people or not their to watch them, ultimately for a lot of clubbers it's about getting it on with a member of the opposite sex and visuals generally don't promote this kind of action, if you catch my drift.

Bingo.

Two things I've noticed in watching vj sets and comparing them to strait up DJs.

/waxphylisophical

One: Music (good music) has always affected people, high or otherwise. In fact I think thats why most people turn to EDM because they want music that is meant to speak to them. The music will always make the experience, visuals are along for the ride.


Two: What I've seen is that the visuals at parties tend to distract, and curtail the VJ and hinder his creativity. Thereby reducing the chances for something spectacular to happen in the transitions.

With that said, its pretty amazing what they can do, if there ever comes a time when the DJ can focus on the music and the visuals will handle themselves based on how he/she handles the music, then I would say it might become standard if not required practice.

As a video editor, I am generally interested in visuals and what can be down with them in all aspects, not just in the topic discussed in this thread. when I see a video on youtube that has a backdrop behind a DJ with their name and some sort of animation, I think it is really cool. Usually I see the DJ is in an elevated booth or hard to see. The backdrop gives a person something easy to look at. However, if I wasn't as interested in video/graphic work, I would probably not care abotu the visuals at all.

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