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U.S. Troops Will Be Leaving Europe As Well

Personally, I would have thought NATO would have packed up long before now.
Maybe it is time for them to give this up?
It's certainly lost it's significance.

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February 24, 2007 U.S. Troops Will Be Leaving Europe As Well From Pat Buchanan's column yesterday: NATO is packing it in as a world power. NATO is little more than a U.S. guarantee to pull Europe's chestnuts out of the fire if Europeans encounter a fight they cannot handle, like an insurgency in Bosnia or Kosovo. NATO has one breadwinner, and 25 dependents. At the end of the Cold War, internationalists like Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana declared, "NATO must go out of area, or go out of business." What Lugar meant was, with the Soviet threat lifted from Europe, NATO must shoulder more of the global burden. But the Balkan crises of the 1990s showed that Europeans are not even up to policing their own playground. The Americans had to come in, gently push them aside and do the job. The message Europe is today sending to America, with the withdrawals from Iraq and the refusal of Italy, Germany and France to fight in Afghanistan: "We are not going out of area again. If you Americans want to play empire, go right ahead. We will not again send our sons overseas to fight in regions of the world from which we withdrew half a century ago. You're on your own." Where does this leave NATO? This leaves NATO as little more than a U.S. guarantee to go to war for the nations of Europe, while Europeans can be freeloading critics of U.S. policy around the world. NATO is an expensive proposition. We maintain dozens of bases and scores of thousands of troops from Norway to the Balkans, from Spain to the Baltic republics, from the Black Sea to the Irish Sea. What do we get for this? Why do we tax ourselves to defend rich nations who refuse to defend themselves? Is the security of Europe more important to us than to Europe? In the early years of World Wars I and II, Europeans implored us to come save them from the Germans. We did. In the early Cold War, Europeans welcomed returning GIs who stood guard in the Fulda Gap. Now, with the threat gone, the gratitude is gone. Now, with their welfare states eating up their wealth, their peoples aging, their cities filling up with militant migrants, they want America to continue defending them, as they sit in moral judgment on how we go about it. Don't be surprised if 90% of U.S. troops in Europe today are gone ten years from now.

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At last a move we can agree on hehe. Europe should either shut up or pay up. There is no reason for the US presence around Europe, and with the last NATO expansion push the US is just fostering more hate than is already present in that region.

Certainly is a persuasive article...

i'm not much of a Buchanan follower, but that opening paragragh is mint!

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Originally posted by Q5echo i'm not much of a Buchanan follower, but that opening paragragh is mint!

Isn't it though? lol!

One really does have to ask themselves, what hell has Europe done for themselves recently?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Isn't it though? lol! One really does have to ask themselves, what hell has Europe done for themselves recently?

Nothing that has required too much effort.


Maybe US presence is irrelevant in Europe today is irrelevand but down the road I feel it'll be Europes loss. Only time will tell.

Haha, the article doesnt say the NATO bases will all be closed, I guarantee you they won't - it will be a massive strategic loss for America and her allies. This "troop shift" is just simply done to move these idle American troops to fighting wars in Middle East, judging by their buildup kinda like in Afghanistan where Americans cut down their total troop numbers in favour of Canadian, French, British, etc. troop to fight their mess so they can have more troops for Iraq campaign. Whether American troops stay or leave these NATO bases, in the end it will still be an American-funded, organized and supported organization and quite frankly I dont see it folding in the near future ... or ever, because Americans have been seen encroaching onto Russia's borders to keep her in check, and judging by Putin's recent criticism of NATO I dont see them fold.

they are leaving too late if ever but seeing how parasitic and hypocritical most european governments are especially EU not to mention a base for all sorts of terror groups and EU direct and indirect support of it , I doubt europe will be stable any time in the future regardless of what US does there. Now that they are stuck in the middle east they have to make some decisions

Here Here!!
I can't stand Pat, but yeah, great read......

This is so true. Europeans will badmouth us and our policies constantly, but as soon as there is some kind of mess to clean up in Europe the first thing they do is jump on the phone and ask us for help. I say let them sort their next mess out on their own and see how well they do.

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Originally posted by LazFX Here Here!! I can't stand Pat, but yeah, great read......

Compared to Bush jr & sr and Billary Clinton he is such a breath of fresh air in the political scene
Pat Buchanan is one of the few true patriots who has consistently opposed american attack on Serbia and Iraq as not being in american interest and opening the US to danger, not to mention destroying those countries and regions which opened the door for groups like AQ to deliberatelly target US interests anywhere in the world in the similar manner . He is labeled as a bigot by far left and out of sorts and uncontrollable by far right but he is outsmarted all of them time and again with his astute knowledge and analysis.

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