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What?? No Riots?? No Burning Buildings??

WTF what is wrong with the christians these days?? I mean if this report would of came out about the "Religion of Peace" now those people can riot!!

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Film Claim: Jesus' Body Found Efforts to discredit Jesus' resurrection continue WASHINGTON, Feb. 23 /Christian Newswire/ -- A liberal website out of Jerusalem, Israel is reporting that a documentary film to be aired this week will prove the actual burial site for Jesus Christ and his family has been found. The filmmakers, including James Cameron of Titanic fame, claim they will display the coffins of Jesus and his mother Mary at a New York news conference on Monday. The implications are clear: According the filmmakers, Jesus did not rise from the grave. In response to the announced news conference, National Clergy Council president, the Reverend Rob Schenck (pronounced SHANK) said: �This kind of sensationalism has been tried before. Only five years ago no less of a prestigious organization than Biblical Archeological Review Journal claimed it had the coffin of James, the brother of Jesus. It was later determined to be a hoax. �These filmmakers, who have an obvious bias against Christianity, say the evidence in this case rests on the names inscribed on the coffins and DNA testing. First, the names Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the others they will cite, were some of the most common for that region at that time. Second, there are no known descendants of Mary alive today, so what does DNA have to do with it? �Thinking people should take this announcement with a grain of salt.� Rev. Schenck is also chairman of the Committee on Church and Society for the Evangelical Church Alliance, America�s oldest association of evangelical clergy. The National Clergy Council is based in Washington, DC, and represents conservative church leaders from all Christian traditions.

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Once again its double standard time. Something like this about Islam and oh man there would be blood in the streets. Western Media would be hung out to dry by death threats from some mohamed thingymabod and it would of been all of the US's fault.
but lets see, this is the christian religion, so we all know that a few boycots here and there.... A few letters of protest and all is forgotten. Now who is the religion of peace now??

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Originally posted by LazFX Now who is the religion of peace now??

None of them.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer None of them.

100% Right you are! But lets just keep that between ourselves

The Buddhists are pretty chill!

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Originally posted by Lilith The Buddhists are pretty chill!

Thailand? Sri Lanka ...

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Jesus did not rise from the grave

Of course this wholeshit from Israel

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Originally posted by occrider Thailand? Sri Lanka ...

Sure, there's plenty of problems in both and for a whole lot of complicated reasons. However on a global sense when was the last time either went off on a bender halfway across the world in the name of religion?
That's more or less the hobby of lunatic christians and muslims

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Originally posted by Lilith That's more or less the hobby of lunatic christians and muslims

Jesus, we're all not lunatics you know.

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Originally posted by Lilith That's more or less the hobby of lunatic christians and muslims

Yes that is true......

So with the exception of Renegade, tathi, Occ, and maybe I'm forgeting a few others, are there any atheists here who don't make ignorant and condescending generalizations about theists, or implicity making them by generalizing fringe fanatic and extremist views that often contradict religious teaching to all perspectives and interpretations? Do you really enjoy putting words in people's mouth that much? It's kind of like calling someone a Nazi just because they're German or any other form of defamation. Did it ever occur to some/any of you that individuals are different, even theists? Such a selfrighteous and arrogant attitude, more often than not, based on minimal to zero knowledge and understanding of (a specific) religion(s) is kind of ironic . You guys do realize that your view/interpretation, even if it is based on thorough research, isn't the only one on any particular religion right? How many religions have any of you guys studied anyways other than the ones you're loosely connected to? I doubt it's more than one, and most of you probably didn't even read through the entire text for it. Does that give you any idea about how your generalizations reflect on you, especially to some one who's actually studied one or more in a fair bit of detail? And if you're going to base your view on the actions of some so called followers, regardless of number and time period, that's a view on them not religion X itself. Let me give you guys an analogy. How many of you have read the communist manifesto or other marxist socialist type theory? I'm guessing at least some of you have. Did the Soviet Union bear any resemblance to the theory and doctrine? No, not really. Now try to think about that next time you feel like slandering individuals or collective groups with your broad generalizations. That's probably not going to happen, but at least I said it. So if I find it irritating, you'll know why. And there's plenty of it here, I just keep my mouth shut majority of the time since it's kind of pointless talking about it or explaining it to most people. Such an oppinionated attitude usually comes across as pretty arrogant to say the least. Plus, if people were more civil and less narrow minded, I wouldn't have to say anything in the first place. See, I respect people like Renegade as he's actually studied scripture in a fair bit of detail and has his own take on it, that's fine. He doesn't club people on the head his views all the time, and neigther is he condesending and rude with broad generalizations. So even though his veiws/interpretation is contrary to mine in many ways not to mention they're based on entirely different religious texts of different religions, I respect his views since he actually bases them on study and research as opposed to some irrelevant nonsense. I guess most people are obtuse and imperseptive jerks regardless of their beliefs (or lack of).

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Originally posted by Lilith That's more or less the hobby of lunatic christians and muslims

and another thing, none of those religions are even original.

sheesh like a mesican can't read Gilgamesh and see that they stole that from story....

Abram left Sumeria ( me thinks) to begin his journey that ended in Israel. He became accepted as the ancestor of the Hebrews, the Christians and the Muslims. It does not take the mentality of a 9year old to see all of the "borrowing" from the world described in Gilgamesh that was used in the story of Abraham or any other selections of the First Few Books of the bible.

And I won't even bring up the story of the flood or even creation. Also stolen from rehashed myths.

Ah they're not all bad, it's just the lunatic fringe which starts the trouble, rest of the moderate majority just end up in the crap by default when their brethren drag them into it and they all get painted with the same mud.
Course, after being clubbed over the head, shot at and generally abused as part of the crap they got dragged into by their lunatic mates, we end up with the polarity we see in society today between religions, rather than any kind of tolerance.
Bit like an old hillbilly-feud
"Dang heathen bastids shot mah cousin!"
Few generations of that and basically you can kiss any kind of reconciliation out the door as now they've gone and made it all personal.

Course, they'll run out of heathens to shoot after awhile and we get the joys of secular warfare as the guys who think the invisible guy in the sky has a tail and the other guys who think he doesn't have a tail get shirty with one another.
Protestants vs Catholics, Sunni vs Shia, same old reasons, same pointless death and injury.

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Originally posted by Lilith Protestants vs Catholics, Sunni vs Shia, same old reasons, same pointless death and injury.

I was brought up in a strict Calvinist Baptist HouseHold. went to church every Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sat. It got to the point that: to quote Kings of Comedy "I would rather go to hell". When I started to read about other religions, I started to see that it was all the same and had one goal: Control by a few over many. Give them hope. of a better life after life and they will build citys for you. Blow them selves up for you. Invade countries for you. All in the name of a god.

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Originally posted by LazFX I was brought up in a strict Calvinist Baptist HouseHold. went to church every Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sat. It got to the point that: to quote Kings of Comedy "I would rather go to hell". When I started to read about other religions, I started to see that it was all the same and had one goal: Control by a few over many. Give them hope. of a better life after life and they will build citys for you. Blow them selves up for you. Invade countries for you. All in the name of a god.

It's not any different when it comes to any secular ideology/doctrine eigther. The only difference is, most people living under a system or endorsing a particular doctrine at the time don't see it. Big surprise huh? The world for the most part has been an oligarchy of one form or another, despite the what it's supposed to be on paper.

So d u belive of this Samuel Huntington's fucking theory?
someone like him plants hostility and iconoclast for fucking faakes purposes

Dood, there is a whole movie on this...

The Body (2001)

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SYNOPSIS At the dawn of the new millennium, in the cradle of faith that is Jerusalem, two seemingly mismatched people from different worlds and cultures -- Vatican-appointed Jesuit priest Matt Gutierrez (ANTONIO BANDERAS) and Israeli archaeologist Sharon Golban (OLIVIA WILLIAMS) -- make a tenuous alliance to investigate a find that not only threatens the very foundations of western religion, but also blow apart the region's fragile peace. Behind a simple hardware store on Hanevi'im Street, Sharon has discovered an ancient skeleton in a rich man's tomb. Coloration on the wrist and leg bones indicate that the cause of death was the Roman method of executing criminals and enemies of the state, crucifixion. A gold coin found in the tomb bears the markings of Roman governor Pontius Pilate. And there are other signs which might corroborate Biblical descriptions of the death of the first century Judean rabbi Yeshu Ben Yosef... better known to our world as Jesus, son of Joseph. Now, against increasingly difficult odds placed in their path by those locked in the power struggle for this transcendently beautiful but eternally troubled part of the world--politicians, clerics, religious extremists and those using terror as a means to an end--Matt, a man of faith and Sharon, a woman of science, find their beliefs and identities tested while risking their lives to penetrate the truth of this epochal discovery. -- � 2001 Lions Gate Films

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Well, I don't think many christians would get upset over a little thing like exhibiting the body of Christ. A dutch cartoon on the other hand...*shudder*

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, I don't think many christians would get upset over a little thing like exhibiting the body of Christ. A dutch cartoon on the other hand...*shudder*

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, if the cartoons we're offensive and disrespectful in nature, I can understand why most Muslims would be pissed off. But that's about as far as I'm willing to let them go, being pissed and/or publicly demonstrating their discontent (non-violently ofcourse). And to answer your question, it's because many muslims are fucking stupid when it comes to their faith. I don't think I need to emphasize how stagnated mainstream Muslim though/culture has become. One big problem is that many, if not most, Muslims make little to no effort to understand their religion and mostly rely on their parents (who are usually just as ignorant) or "Imams" (not that there aren't some good Imams out there, but for the most part they're not very well educated and generally don't know what they're talking about on several issues). What Muslims all around the world rightnow need to do and realize is that Islam needs to be re-interpreted because we don't like in 600 A.D. Arabia anymore! Now this cultural/intellectual stangnace abviously doesn't have good results; most muslims have been conditioned to believe certain things as being completely unacceptable (mainly certain forms of blasphomy/prophet bashing, I can't think of many other issues that would make them flip out) and bearing due penalties which is stupid. They need to realize that first of all, if they live in the West, they are NOT in Muslim societies and therefore should not expect non-Muslims to respect all of their religious sensitivities (especially if they don't know what they are). Secondly, they have to respect the laws of that country and stay within those legal limits. Thirdly, the implication of freedom of speech is that sometimes they will have to listen to views that they absolutely lothe but still have tolerate it, since in a democracy, freedom of speech is everyones right. But the good news is, that most first generation Muslims (atleast in the US), ppl brought up and raised here, usually tend to eigther make an honest effort themselves to understand/interpret their faith if being religious is what they choose to do OR the reject it and do what they want to do. (Point being, unlike Muslims from the old world, the younger generations are rebelling against the "do what tradition/your parents and religious 'authorities' (I use the term authority very sarcasticly here) tell you to do and don't think for yourself" mentality.) One last comment I'd like to add, I guess in order to clearly answer your question, its not that Muslims expect non-Muslims to comply with most aspects of Islam (like in your Ramadan example), but they expect them to not disrespect their religion eigther.

You can read the rest of my comments on it here:

tranceaddict Forums > Other > Political Discussion / Debate > Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again...

EDIT: Clearly, I'm not making a fuss about it or burning shit down.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, I don't think many christians would get upset over a little thing like exhibiting the body of Christ. A dutch cartoon on the other hand...*shudder*

I suppose bombing abortion clinics and killing doctors is anything but extreme right?

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Originally posted by M.Johan Of course this wholeshit from Israel

of course! israel is trying to take over the world. they couldn't get rid of the muslims so now they're trying to bring down the christians! you're really smart Johan, and your arguments always make sense. this is definetely an israeli conspiracy. DAMN JEWS!!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So with the exception of Renegade, tathi, Occ, and maybe I'm forgeting a few others, are there any atheists here who don't make ignorant and condescending generalizations about theists, or implicity making them by generalizing fringe fanatic and extremist views that often contradict religious teaching to all perspectives and interpretations? Do you really enjoy putting words in people's mouth that much? It's kind of like calling someone a Nazi just because they're German or any other form of defamation. Did it ever occur to some/any of you that individuals are different, even theists? Such a selfrighteous and arrogant attitude, more often than not, based on minimal to zero knowledge and understanding of (a specific) religion(s) is kind of ironic . You guys do realize that your view/interpretation, even if it is based on thorough research, isn't the only one on any particular religion right? How many religions have any of you guys studied anyways other than the ones you're loosely connected to? I doubt it's more than one, and most of you probably didn't even read through the entire text for it. Does that give you any idea about how your generalizations reflect on you, especially to some one who's actually studied one or more in a fair bit of detail? And if you're going to base your view on the actions of some so called followers, regardless of number and time period, that's a view on them not religion X itself. Let me give you guys an analogy. How many of you have read the communist manifesto or other marxist socialist type theory? I'm guessing at least some of you have. Did the Soviet Union bear any resemblance to the theory and doctrine? No, not really. Now try to think about that next time you feel like slandering individuals or collective groups with your broad generalizations. That's probably not going to happen, but at least I said it. So if I find it irritating, you'll know why. And there's plenty of it here, I just keep my mouth shut majority of the time since it's kind of pointless talking about it or explaining it to most people. Such an oppinionated attitude usually comes across as pretty arrogant to say the least. Plus, if people were more civil and less narrow minded, I wouldn't have to say anything in the first place. See, I respect people like Renegade as he's actually studied scripture in a fair bit of detail and has his own take on it, that's fine. He doesn't club people on the head his views all the time, and neigther is he condesending and rude with broad generalizations. So even though his veiws/interpretation is contrary to mine in many ways not to mention they're based on entirely different religious texts of different religions, I respect his views since he actually bases them on study and research as opposed to some irrelevant nonsense. I guess most people are obtuse and imperseptive jerks regardless of their beliefs (or lack of).

But being condescending to thiests makes my penis seem to grow larger, and I AM a lunatic so there you have it...

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Originally posted by Zild But being condescending to thiests makes my penis seem to grow larger, and I AM a lunatic so there you have it...

Definetly hehe...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z are there any atheists here who don't make ignorant and condescending generalizations about theists, or implicity making them by generalizing fringe fanatic and extremist views that often contradict religious teaching to all perspectives and interpretations?

i find it interesting that youre allowed to make condescending or inflammatory remarks about the neocons, yet the atheists are not allowed to do the same with our intellectual/spiritual pet hates?

just started reading dawkins' "the god delusion" which is just the best fucking read ever. his chapter on why does religion deserve higher respect than any other belief system is great.

recommended for the theist & atheist alike

i agree with your analogy re marxism and soviet russia- however one must make the point that marxist doctrine the world over has resulted in dictatorial, sometimes brutal regimes. if thats the outcome of marxist thought, one has to wonder whether its a doctrine worth adhering to.

technical or theoretical teachings are less important than how those ideas manifest themselves in the real world. you might well claim that extremist muslims are not adhering to the "real" islam, but an extremist could easily say the same about you. who is to say which of you is right?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i find it interesting that youre allowed to make condescending or inflammatory remarks about the neocons, yet the atheists are not allowed to do the same with our intellectual/spiritual pet hates?

ssshhh!! he might tell lira you are picking on him....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i find it interesting that youre allowed to make condescending or inflammatory remarks about the neocons, yet the atheists are not allowed to do the same with our intellectual/spiritual pet hates?

Seriously dude! I can't believe you just said that. Please tell me you know how to differentiate between conservatives and NeoCons. Have you read PNAC? I can upload it for you as I've got on my HD if you really don't want to look for it or something. Jesus, I still can't believe you said that. What did you do with PKC? This has to be some sort of imposter I'm talking to .

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