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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/defaul...28-2-2007_pg4_1

Russia offers Hamas help to lift embargo


MOSCOW: Russia on Tuesday told Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal it will try to influence Western powers into lifting an aid embargo on the Palestinian administration.

Russia, the United States, the European Union and the United Nations make up the Quartet of Middle East mediators. Western powers cut off direct aid to the Palestinian Authority after Hamas came to power in a January 2006 election.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov confirmed that Russia fully supported a Mecca agreement between Hamas and the rival Fatah movement to form a unity government earlier this month as a key peace initiative in the region.

�We think the participants in Mecca showed wisdom, prudence and responsibility before the Palestinian people,� Lavrov said at talks with Meshaal.

�We strive for the international community to support this process and make it irreversible, including efforts to help lift the blockade.�

Lavrov avoided saying explicitly what Russia intended to do to persuade Western nations to lift the economic embargo.

Russia is the only member of the Quartet which maintains relations with Hamas after it took over the Palestinian government. It has positioned itself as a bridge between Hamas and Western powers.

Moscow, a permanent UN Security Council member, shares the Quartet�s demands on Hamas to recognise Israel, renounce violence and accept interim peace deals. But Russia has been critical of direct punitive measures such as the embargo.

Meshaal, addressing Lavrov, praised Russia�s stand on the issue. �We highly regard the brave steps of Russia which has invited us here today,� he said.

Japan is planning to host a meeting with Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian officials next month to help broker peace in the Middle East, Foreign Minister Taro Aso said on Tuesday. �We haven�t solidified plans, but we are trying to arrange it for March 14,� Aso told a news conference.

He said the meeting would be a follow-up to plans proposed by former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi last year in which Japan said it would provide economic assistance and promote cooperation in the region.

Japan has planned to help build an agro-industrial park on the West Bank in a joint project under the framework and has pledged to seek cooperation from private-sector companies.

Koizumi visited the Middle East last July and media reports have said his successor, current Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, could visit the region some time in late April to early May. reuters


Why are they such terrorist lovers? Don't they know it will be spend on missiles and not food? Stupid Russians, we need food and clothing, not money to Hamas.

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Originally posted by Dopey Why are they such terrorist lovers? Don't they know it will be spend on missiles and not food? Stupid Russians, we need food and clothing, not money to Hamas.

Russians would rather spend money on arms than food. Really its true, plus if you look at the human right record for Putin. I highly doubt he cares who buys weapons from him.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Russians would rather spend money on arms than food. Really its true, plus if you look at the human right record for Putin. I highly doubt he cares who buys weapons from him.

Holly shit people, Russia has billions and billions of dollars in surplus from oil/gas sales, they can afford to few a few million to gain political support and influence abroad - I mean, Americans let's say, how many dictatorships and terrorist states did they support through its history? Huh? Put the double standards aside, its a normal everyday thing. If USA gets away with this on a daily basis, and gets stronger politically, you really expect other countries to try to compete with American hegemony using standard means? What are you, really that close minded? Thats not how politics work - thats how countries demise. Political scene is not fair, when one side portrays an independence fighting group as terrorists, someone else will perceive them as independence fighters. Judging by your morals, the American Independence movement was succeeded by terrorists, or even Nazis labeling Russian partisans of WW2 as terrorists. Its all double standards here.

And you are saying Putin has bad human rights record???? LOL, then give me a Russian leader over the last G-d knows how many years who had a better record. Yeltsin? NO. Gorbachev (remember Afghanistan war)? No. Putin has the best human rights record of any Russian leader for many years because his reforms since 2000 actually enforce Russian Constitution that previously in Yeltsin's era was ignored. In Gorbachev's era political dissent was readily crushed, though Gorbachev appeared as an innocent angel when he sent it tanks in Latvia to start crushing the protests there ;-) LOL, did Putin send tanks in to crush a protest? LOL. If you're referring to the 1999 Chechen campaign, please make sure to do your research to the REASONS for that BEFORE yapping away.

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Dude knock it off we are both going to be Russian citizens soon. Learning more Russian and going to move soon

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Originally posted by Magnetonium And you are saying Putin has bad human rights record???? LOL, then give me a Russian leader over the last G-d knows how many years who had a better record. Yeltsin? NO. Gorbachev (remember Afghanistan war)? No. Putin has the best human rights record of any Russian leader for many years because his reforms since 2000 actually enforce Russian Constitution that previously in Yeltsin's era was ignored. In Gorbachev's era political dissent was readily crushed, though Gorbachev appeared as an innocent angel when he sent it tanks in Latvia to start crushing the protests there ;-) LOL, did Putin send tanks in to crush a protest? LOL. If you're referring to the 1999 Chechen campaign, please make sure to do your research to the REASONS for that BEFORE yapping away.

I was referring to the moscow apartment bombings. Who did those? Chechens??? NOPE, PUTIN DID. Oh and Putin makes far right groups his brownshirts. He orders them to attack innocent people so he can take away more civil liberties or to get some opponent he doesnt like. He intentionally wants the western media to focus more on these groups than what Putin does behind the scene. Putin is a dirty mischevious leader who is worse than any previous leader of Russia except Stalin. Im sorry but he is.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Dude knock it off we are both going to be Russian citizens soon. Learning more Russian and going to move soon I was referring to the moscow apartment bombings. Who did those? Chechens??? NOPE, PUTIN DID. Oh and Putin makes far right groups his brownshirts. He orders them to attack innocent people so he can take away more civil liberties or to get some opponent he doesnt like. He intentionally wants the western media to focus more on these groups than what Putin does behind the scene. Putin is a dirty mischevious leader who is worse than any previous leader of Russia except Stalin. Im sorry but he is.

Do you believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories then, with government organizing the attacks on their own people?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Do you believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories then, with government organizing the attacks on their own people?

I believe that the gov let it happen. That is all. But still the apartment bombings, etc are worse.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I believe that the gov let it happen. That is all. But still the apartment bombings, etc are worse.

I wont bother arguing you on the apartment buildings, because I am sure there's government involvement, but tell me one thing - if you think Putin's bad - name me a Russian politician who you think would do a better job for Russia, from the top of your head. And you know what, if you're honest, you won't be able to come up with a good choice. Putin's no angel, but he has done better as a leader of Russia than most of his predecessors on all fronts - economic, political, social, somewhat demographical. 300 innocent people dead in the bombings is a terrible but low price to pay for maintaining Russian integrity and stability in Putin's view. Did 9/11 attacks achieve the same for USA? What's a human life worth in Russia nowadays anyway - but its worth more than it was in Yeltsin's years, believe me. Things will get better, there's democracy in Russia, there are nearly a dozen different political parties there, all are strong candidates to do well in upcoming elections based on different turns of events. Putin is not grooming a successor like an authoritarian leader usually would. He doesnt belong to any party either ;-)

Let things develop, stop criticising Russia for talking with Hamas - quite frankly, Russia is doing more for Palestinian peace by trying to talk peace while Israel and USA refuses to talk to democratically-elected Hamas because Israeli feelings are hurt, which will not bring peace. Actually, if right now peace will be achieved through Hamas, it will be significantly better than through anti-Hamas Palestinian groups that will only feed Hamas hate. If Hamas is swayed to peace, there will be no significant groups left to continue resistance. In Palestinian eyes Hamas is the group that has the real power to bring change to its people. This way its possible to finally acknowledge legality of Hamas and achieve a compromise to bring peace and stability to Middle East, which most Western governments refuse to do.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Russians would rather spend money on arms than food. Really its true, plus if you look at the human right record for Putin. I highly doubt he cares who buys weapons from him.

we, Palestinians, need food and clothing, if the stupid Russians give money to Hamas, they will spend it on the war not on the people

OOOOOH, Hamas announced on their visit to Moscow that they are now willing to trade the Israeli corporal for fellow prisoners. Sounds like political progress to me, beneficial to Russia, after Russian mediation in the issue ;-)

BTW, Russia is not supplying arms to Palestinians, and so far I havent heard about money, its more of a political support to achieve peace and stability for Palestinian people ;-)

http://www.radiomayak.ru/doc.html?id=14462

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I havent heard about money

what do you thinking lifting financial aid bans will do?

Blocking financial support for Palestinian Autonomy does not harm Hamas - they can easily get their weapons quietly for free from a whole list of Arabic countries, no questions asked. It is ordinary Palestinians who are hurt by the cut-off of financial assistance, they support Hamas even more because their poor lives get even more miserable and Palestinians have noone else to turn to.

The U.S supports IDF all the time,whats the big deal if Russia is supporting Hamas? IDF has terrorized more innocent people then Hamas has and yet the U.S has never stopped its support for them.

The problem might come if Hamas is really bad. Because in this case Russia will support them anyway, just because it goes against the US policy. And if the shit happened tomorrow they would be in big troubles.

Sometimes I think they select friends only because they are enemies of certain nations.

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Originally posted by star-traveller Sometimes I think they select friends only because they are enemies of certain nations.

Right on Brother!


Most of the IDF is made of Russian immigrants to Israel... some who are not even jewish!

and they are getting killed by AK-47's which Russia supplies(indirectly) to Palestinians.

Kinda sucks being in the IDF and knowing that your own people are responsible for your death

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