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"Faith"... That is used so horribly. One can have faith in science. If the chart means "Religion", then I guess this chart fails to recognize great philosophers using their "Faith" as a means to promote many great ideas throughout the many years of our existence.

It's an ignorant diagram.

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yeah faith is a pretty broad term.

and the thing with science is that its pretty adamant about knocking anything that can't be proven, instead of keeping an open mind. there's a lot of accounts of telepathy, psychics etc, and yet a lot of scientists completely knock the idea of it because they can't prove it with a ruler, or whatever else those damn scientists use.

people need proof proof proof. can you prove that you exist? no you cant. you still believe it do'nt you? that's faith. science doesn't give all the answers, nor can it.

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Originally posted by Haunted yeah faith is a pretty broad term. and the thing with science is that its pretty adamant about knocking anything that can't be proven, instead of keeping an open mind. there's a lot of accounts of telepathy, psychics etc, and yet a lot of scientists completely knock the idea of it because they can't prove it with a ruler, or whatever else those damn scientists use. people need proof proof proof. can you prove that you exist? no you cant. you still believe it do'nt you? that's faith. science doesn't give all the answers, nor can it.

We must advance our understanding of human biology and improve technology if we are to measure and quantify the psychic effects. The first step towards a scientific analysis is an ability to measure what you want to explain. Secondly, there must be strong experimental data to support these claims. People who claim to possess these powers must demonstrate repeatably that they can use them. In my opinion science will eventually be able to explain just about everything in this universe.

Hehe, psychic orgasm. Those of you know what I'm talking are probably laughing your asses off rightnow. Though I doubt there's a single person here who has a clue. Most of you can even make a woman reach orgasm with utilizing just regular tools at everyone's disposal. LOL.

Hehe, it was obviously a dumb ass who made those charts.

EDIT: Aaa! Before you flip out, I'm not refering to you there.

And darwinian evolution isn't an article of faith?

LOL

Awesome!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Hehe, it was obviously a dumb ass who made those charts.

Hehe, it was obviously a dumb ass who believes in a god.


EDIT: Aaa! Before you flip out, I'm not refering to you there.

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Originally posted by LazFX Hehe, it was obviously a dumb ass who believes in a god. EDIT: Aaa! Before you flip out, I'm not refering to you there.

Haha, yeah, guy must have been really stupid if he made that and believes in God at the same time. Kind of contradictory and weak, like that statement.

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Originally posted by LazFX Hehe, it was obviously a dumb ass who believes in a god. EDIT: Aaa! Before you flip out, I'm not refering to you there.

Alright, maybe this will help you understand:



So the flow chart for science is more or less correct, so I won't be nitpicky there.

The flow chart you have for faith there is just simply stupid and has a bunch of errors. First of all, the title should be, idiocy, or something along those lines. Now, I circled the flaws in the chart, under the poor assumption that it decribes faith to being with, so it should be easier to follow now

1. Only a idiot completely unfamiliar with how religious faith works, at least when it comes to the three main monotheistic faith, would have that as the first state in the flow chart. The first state should be examining or studying religious text X.
   
2. Any intelleigent person, after step 1, in step 2 would eigther abandon "idea" Y in religion X, religion X altogether, or would reinterpret it since that's obviously not what it means. Plus, it's not science, so I'm not even sure why that bubbles there.
   
3. Ok, anyone who gets to step three after the first two is simply stupid and irrational.
   

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Alright, maybe this will help you understand: So the flow chart for science is more or less correct, so I won't be nitpicky there. The flow chart you have for faith there is just simply stupid and has a bunch of errors. First of all, the title should be, idiocy, or something along those lines. Now, I circled the flaws in the chart, under the poor assumption that it decribes faith to being with, so it should be easier to follow now Only a idiot completely unfamiliar with how religious faith works, at least when it comes to the three main monotheistic faith, would have that as the first state in the flow chart. The first state should be examining or studying religious text X. Any intelleigent person, after step 1, in step 2 would eigther abandon "idea" Y in religion X, religion X altogether, or would reinterpret it since that's obviously not what it means. Plus, it's not science, so I'm not even sure why that bubbles there. Ok, anyone who gets to step three after the first two is simply stupid and irrational. So congratulations, you just made a flow chart for how a stupid person thinks, and it's doesn't have jack to do with informed and intelligent faith [edit: complemented by some form of reason, not contradicting it], an alien concept to you I'm sure. So the flow chart is flawed at every step. Now you understand why I said whoever made the chart is a dumbass? Well, at the very least, pretty ignorant.

But then again, didn't they supposedly come into existence before the texts ? So in that case the flow chart would be valid, only it would need the insertion of the creation and study of the text. In the beginning though faith does work to a great extent well by using faith.

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Originally posted by venomX But then again, didn't they supposedly come into existence before the texts ? So in that case the flow chart would be valid, only it would need the insertion of the creation and study of the text. In the beginning though faith does work to a great extent well by using faith.

Actually, I'm not sure about Judaism since it's so old, Chritianity, yes, a good 3 centuries or so after Christ, Islam, no, it was transcribed during Muhammads time.

Well, the flow chart is still wrong, unless the person in question is a complete idiot (i.e. the person it applies to). And yes, the element of faith WILL always be involved in religion, it's not science. It's not like you can't have critical thought and faith at the same time. It's actually quite a challenge, because you also have to be critical of your faith, and the very concept itself, assuming you're [EDIT: lol, I forgot to add "not" ] interested in fooling yourself or being naive.

Being an atheist, I must say that comparison is pretty inaccurate, both for science and faith.

Regarding faith, for example, it takes for granted the stereotype that religions don't evolve/change. If that were true, you certainly wouldn't have as many sects as you see today, and that's just the most obvious flaw.

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Originally posted by Lira Being an atheist, I must say that comparison is pretty inaccurate, both for science and faith. Regarding faith, for example, it takes for granted the stereotype that religions don't evolve/change. If that were true, you certainly wouldn't have as many sects as you see today, and that's just the most obvious flaw.

Yeah, that's true. But I chose not to comment on the flow chart for science and be nitpicky. But you're right.

Being an apprentice scientist myself I can laugh. Althought I do keep in mind that in my encounters with other apprentice and master scientists that there is quite a bit of room for faith and science to coexist.

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Originally posted by Zild Being an apprentice scientist myself I can laugh. Althought I do keep in mind that in my encounters with other apprentice and master scientists that there is quite a bit of room for faith and science to coexist.

Yeah, I don't know why some people find that so hard to comprehend.

I understand where they are coming from, being a devil worshipper myself, however they cross over into the hypocrite zone the moment they say that others opinions and beliefs are inherently wrong.

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