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Posted by Marc Summers on Mar-02-2007 12:59:

So, Bin Laden Is Alive

Taliban official says Osama bin Laden is alive

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LONDON - A senior Taliban commander says Osama bin Laden is alive and in contact with leaders of Afghanistan�s Taliban insurgents, according to an interview aired on British television.

Mullah Dadullah said he had not met bin Laden since the fall of the Taliban regime after the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, but said �we know he�s still alive.�

�He�s not yet martyred. Such information would be easy to get � his comrades stand shoulder to shoulder with us. They keep us informed,� Dadullah said in an interview broadcast Wednesday by Channel 4 News.

The authenticity of the information could not be confirmed. Channel 4 did not say how it had obtained the footage, and it was not known when or where Dadullah made the comments, which were translated into English.

Dadullah, commander of Taliban operations in eastern and southeastern Afghanistan and a trusted associate of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, said bin Laden met outsiders rarely. Dadullah did not comment on bin Laden�s whereabouts.

�Only his comrades see him; we exchange messages with each other to share plans,� Dadullah said. �We also go to the battlefield together. We actually meet very rarely, just for important consultations. It�s hard for anyone to meet bin Laden himself now, but we know he�s still alive.�

Dadullah said the Taliban had �hundreds more� suicide bombers ready to attack NATO forces in Afghanistan.

NATO commanders have said they believe the Taliban plans a spring offensive against alliance troops in the country.

This guy... Osama is evading US military and US intelligence, that's ridiculous. I actually didn't think he was alive, I know this doesn't totally confirm it, but it's got me believing that he's alive. I don't want to congratulate him, but this guy is doing a damn good job hiding out.

Posted by star-traveller on Mar-02-2007 13:16:

He reminds me of Rambo.

Posted by Dopey on Mar-02-2007 13:46:

I'm beginning to think he has some sort of anti-satellite cloak.

Posted by Magnetonium on Mar-02-2007 13:57:

It doesnt matter really - Osama is either alive or dead long ago, but the US military will never concede his death, because they need him to be alive so they can continue on their expansion in Middle East, using Osama as a patsy to take over whatever counry they wish, and attack whomever they want. He is their wild card ;-) trump card, actually. Osama Bin Laden has done so much good for the America, without him the Soviets would probably be better off, and Americans might have never invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, build bases in Central Asia, etc. and whatever else they have aspired and made money from since 9/11. Isnt it obvious?

Posted by Marc Summers on Mar-02-2007 14:03:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

It doesnt matter really - Osama is either alive or dead long ago, but the US military will never concede his death, because they need him to be alive so they can continue on their expansion in Middle East, using Osama as a patsy to take over whatever counry they wish, and attack whomever they want. He is their wild card ;-) trump card, actually. Osama Bin Laden has done so much good for the America, without him the Soviets would probably be better off, and Americans might have never invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, build bases in Central Asia, etc. and whatever else they have aspired and made money from since 9/11. Isnt it obvious?

We've MADE money?

Posted by Magnetonium on Mar-02-2007 14:07:

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Originally posted by Marc Summers
We've MADE money?

Ummmm, yeah! Politicians, military industry, oil/gas companies ... a lot of money. Ofcouse ordinary people lost big time, but the brass is better off - why do you think they invaded Iraq when they knew there were no WMDs?

Posted by Marc Summers on Mar-02-2007 14:20:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Ummmm, yeah! Politicians, military industry, oil/gas companies ... a lot of money.

Could you post some numbers to support this, please?

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why do you think they invaded Iraq when they knew there were no WMDs?

I don't know.. But LUKoil is having a ball over there.

Posted by Sunsnail on Mar-02-2007 21:23:

Posted by guster on Mar-02-2007 21:26:

I think he's a highlander.

Posted by Haunted on Mar-02-2007 22:21:

this was channel 4 in the UK right?

funny how couple days after Blair says he's sending troops to Afghanistan, they release this. oy propoganda

Posted by DJ Shibby on Mar-02-2007 23:00:

I am inclined to lean towards calling this a lie, though I don't really know for sure, or why.

Posted by Magnetonium on Mar-03-2007 05:39:

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Originally posted by Marc Summers
Could you post some numbers to support this, please?

I don't know.. But LUKoil is having a ball over there.

I dont want to waste my time looking this up, I am lazy and tired this week from never-ending college projects, but its pretty obvious military corporations made the big bucks in the post 9/11 mayhem, as well as oil/electricity companies, and many other co-ordinated with the war/oil effort businesses. And thats a lot of people, a lot of jobs, a lot of money. If you're a regular on this forum, you would have seen all these figures, videos, blabla je3ijtj zzzzzz. You don't want to believe it, you dont have to. I am off to sleeeeeeeeeep.

Posted by misterpink on Mar-03-2007 05:55:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Summers
Could you post some numbers to support this, please?

before 9/11 gas - 65-70 cents
after 9/11 gas - 80-100 cents

eighty billion litres of gas sold since 9/11.

Posted by Magnetonium on Mar-03-2007 06:11:

Aaaaa, Ii cant sleeep. I managd to find some random artices quick, I mean, you can easily find this shit al over the place:

Exxon Mobil sets profit record
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/30/new...es/exxon_earns/

War profiteering
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ar_profiteering

PRESENTING ARMS: THE IRAQ WAR & THE U.S. WEAPONS INDUSTRY - LISTING THE BIG PLAYERS
http://www.corp-research.org/archives/apr03.htm

U.S. Contractors Reap the Windfalls of Post-War Reconstruction
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1030-10.htm

Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6008

The Profits of War: Reconstruction in Iraq
http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/790/1/

And while I am at it, for the fun of it:

THE INDEPENDENT - Future of Iraq: The spoils of war
How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle2132569.ece

Global Policy Forum.org - Oil in Iraq FEATURING THESE DOCUMENTS:
Iraq Oil Lobbying � Comments on the Confidential Document (July 14, 2006)
James Paul sifts carefully through the document to discover details of a secret lobbying meeting in London in May 2003, just two months after the Coalition ousted Saddam Hussein. Top managers of BHP Billiton meet with Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and former UK Foreign Secretary Malcolm Rifkind to plan their strategy to gain control of Iraq�s huge Halfayah oil field. Participants see Washington handing out the contracts � not the Iraqis � and they worry that an Australian bid, even with Anglo-Dutch Shell as a partner, may not win sufficient favor with the Pentagon.

An example of a shady government lobbying after Iraqi invasion to acquire rights to Iraq oil:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/securit...onfidential.pdf

above file was on:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/irqindx.htm

Confidential Government Document on Iraq Oil Lobbying by Australian Firm (May 20, 2003)
This ministry cable provides a record of conversations in May 2003 between the Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, several executives of Australia�s biggest company and former UK Foreign Minister Sir Malcolm Rifkind. At issue was control of a large oilfield in Iraq. According to these minutes, the Anglo-Australian mining company was planning to �register an early bid� with the US government to �secure the Halfayah field investment� in partnership with Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell. The cable refers to other negotiations by major oil companies for Iraq�s biggest fields. The talks, which occurred in London, took place just two months after the Australians joined the UK and the US in the invasion of Iraq and shortly before the US president prematurely declared �victory.� Though relatively brief, the document is very rich in evidence about the role of oil in the war and corporate and government maneuvers to line up the spoils. Participants clearly considered that the US would mainly control the division of the oil, rather than any future Iraqi government. (Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade) See GPF's commentary.
Click here to view the original document from the website of the Cole Inquiry.

Monitoring Policy Making at the United Nations
http://www.globalpolicy.org/securit...rudedesigns.htm

etc.etc.etc.etc.

Posted by pmoisse on Mar-03-2007 20:04:

Osama is spinning a special acid techno set in my basement tonight.

serious!

I don't even know wtf to think about this shit anymore. Part of me thinks he's long dead, but that news of his death hasn't been reported. Another part thinks he's sipping tea in Riyadh with his old buddies, or in Pakistan, or hell, maybe even walking the streets of Kabul with a slightly different appearance.

I dunno, I think that had the military efforts been focussed 100% on Afghanistan (instead of doing anything with Iraq before finishing the job in Afghanistan) the story today would be a lot more positive for everyone involved.

But, wtf do I know. Nobody will ever know the real details behind any of the shit that's gone down in the last 6 years, and it's a damned shame.

Posted by Marc Summers on Mar-03-2007 20:48:

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Originally posted by misterpink
before 9/11 gas - 65-70 cents
after 9/11 gas - 80-100 cents

eighty billion litres of gas sold since 9/11.

This occurred because oil companies like to take advantage of oil dependent countries, not because of any war.

Magnetonium, The facts that you show aren't really that convincing. Yes, we all know that Halliburton was given the contract bid because Dick Cheney was part of the company, is that REALLY that shocking? Politics is all about connections, and Cheney used his connection. Everything you show is just standard corporate greed, and not a part of some large "Profit conspiracy". Of course, corporate greed is never good, but it happens, if you are that concerned, do something about it.

Posted by Magnetonium on Mar-04-2007 17:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
This occurred because oil companies like to take advantage of oil dependent countries, not because of any war.

Magnetonium, The facts that you show aren't really that convincing. Yes, we all know that Halliburton was given the contract bid because Dick Cheney was part of the company, is that REALLY that shocking? Politics is all about connections, and Cheney used his connection. Everything you show is just standard corporate greed, and not a part of some large "Profit conspiracy". Of course, corporate greed is never good, but it happens, if you are that concerned, do something about it.

You are just ignorant. What does your reponse have anything to do with your own original question? I mean, first you asked for proof, no you say you're not surprised at all and tell me to do something about it. Thats not the discussion here, I am for the hundredth time stating how American companies have lobbied and profiteered from the war in Iraq, which was not an accident. And not a conspiracy, because its ppretty dam obvious.