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UREI {Soundcraft} Discontinues Their Rotary Mixer

I guess sales wasn't high enough to keep it in production.

http://www.ureidj.com/products_discontinued.aspx

thats so fucked i love that mixer. its like one of the best sounding machiens out there right now and every half-decent club in the world has one. :/

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Nah, the "LE" in 1620-LE means "limited edition".

They had intended to discontinue the mixer for quite some time.

You can still get the Rane, it's a close second

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Originally posted by OMNIFEX I guess sales wasn't high enough to keep it in production. http://www.ureidj.com/products_discontinued.aspx

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Nah, the "LE" in 1620-LE means "limited edition". They had intended to discontinue the mixer for quite some time. You can still get the Rane, it's a close second

Forgive me for saying that sounds more marketing than truth.



I understood they wanted to "Test The Waters" with a copy of the Original UREI to see how it would stand from the begining.

But, if they were bombarded with sales, they wouldn't stop production on the unit.

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Certainly I'm sure if they had oodles of orders coming in, they would keep making it.

It's a great mixer, but a niche item. It has to be installed in a console or rack, and really has NO features to speak of. Sound quality and build quality are it's only strengths (which are very important, nonetheless).

In most booths with the 1620, you'll see tons of other gear (isolaters, sound level meters, etc) around it.

Seems most people want more than that these days.

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Originally posted by OMNIFEX Forgive me for saying that sounds more marketing than truth. I understood they wanted to "Test The Waters" with a copy of the Original UREI to see how it would stand from the begining. But, if they were bombarded with sales, they wouldn't stop production on the unit.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Seems most people want more than that these days.

The plain Jane mixer will always lose to technological driven products. It's not 1970 when Disco was the new underground. We live in a world where filters per channel, effects, and the crossfader are the norm.

When Soundcraft decided to release the Urei 1620 LE, every company was jumping on the Rotary band wagon. Could we say it was more "Trendy" at that time.

I even got a Gemini Rotary, and it offers more flexiabilty than the UREI 1620 LE. And while I wouldn't class those two as the same in terms of Sound Quality, the fact remains it offers all the modern day standards found in a Club Mixer.

People are just not going to spend $1000.00 on a mixer, with no modern day standard features unless it's a club install. In which, the club will buy external processing to acomadate the missing pieces.

In Mixers, it's always better to have extra than not having enough.

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Just a correction...
The Urei 1620 was going for $1600 in the states.

Recently it's been found in the UK shipped to the US for around $1100, but that was because of the discontinued status.

I bought a Xone 92 Rotary for a little more than that. And it is MUCH more flexible.

Still, there's something to be said for those big knobs.

And honestly, if everyone was forced to mix only with volume faders, and only able to cue one thing in the headphones at a time, there wouldn't be as many half assed DJ's out there

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Originally posted by OMNIFEX The plain Jane mixer will always lose to technological driven products. It's not 1970 when Disco was the new underground. We live in a world where filters per channel, effects, and the crossfader are the norm. When Soundcraft decided to release the Urei 1620 LE, every company was jumping on the Rotary band wagon. Could we say it was more "Trendy" at that time. I even got a Gemini Rotary, and it offers more flexiabilty than the UREI 1620 LE. And while I wouldn't class those two as the same in terms of Sound Quality, the fact remains it offers all the modern day standards found in a Club Mixer. People are just not going to spend $1000.00 on a mixer, with no modern day standard features unless it's a club install. In which, the club will buy external processing to acomadate the missing pieces. In Mixers, it's always better to have extra than not having enough.

I almost always mix using only the volume faders and one cue at a time. This is a sad day.

I pondered this mixer, as well as the rane, and ended up with the DJM800. I of course added the rotary kit and couldn't be more happy. For me, the added features of the 800 sealed the deal. Yes these other two mixers are excellent, but I agree that it's 2007, and for that price I'd like to see at least a few features built in.

You can still get a thick sounding vestax R-1 wich was originally a $3000 mixer with superb components now selling blowout at $1000.

Really... that's a great deal!

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Originally posted by Existo22 You can still get a thick sounding vestax R-1 wich was originally a $3000 mixer with superb components now selling blowout at $1000.

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Originally posted by demark I pondered this mixer, as well as the rane, and ended up with the DJM800. I of course added the rotary kit and couldn't be more happy. For me, the added features of the 800 sealed the deal. Yes these other two mixers are excellent, but I agree that it's 2007, and for that price I'd like to see at least a few features built in.

demark, how do you like the rotary kit on the 800?

i love rotaries which is why i have the 2016, but i like the flexibility of the 800.

What I've noticed on the Xone 92 is that they are smaller and pretty tight together... but very high quality. It's still a different feel than the 2016 or 1620 (both of which I've played on out).

I've thought about getting the 2016 myself... the only thing holding me back is the install requirement.

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Originally posted by hooj1 demark, how do you like the rotary kit on the 800? i love rotaries which is why i have the 2016, but i like the flexibility of the 800.

Ryan0751, what i did for the install was, i got the measurements online and went to the hardware store and made a wooden box for it. by the time i was done the mixer finally arrived and it fit perfectly.
only took a few days and about 20 bucks

Very nice

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Originally posted by hooj1 Ryan0751, what i did for the install was, i got the measurements online and went to the hardware store and made a wooden box for it. by the time i was done the mixer finally arrived and it fit perfectly. only took a few days and about 20 bucks

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 . It's a great mixer, but a niche item. It has to be installed in a console or rack, and really has NO features to speak of.

Less is more in this case - its simplicity is what made it amazing

Lost art to being able to mix- and i mean REALLY mix and blend.
Give 90% of djs a urei today and they wouldnt have a fucking clue how to use it as 'its got no x fader or eqs or fx, or split cue blah blah'
Bollocks

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Originally posted by hooj1 demark, how do you like the rotary kit on the 800? i love rotaries which is why i have the 2016, but i like the flexibility of the 800.

Love it. I mix trance & progressive so for me it's all about smooth blends. The knobs have a nice tight feel and the volume curve is very linear. They may not be as wide as the Rane's but they're still big and have good spacing between them. I can't imagine putting the sliders back in. I even removed the crossfader so nothing gets in the way.

The filters are great and being able to combine two filters at once, plus mess with the eq's really gives you so many options you can't do with the Rane & Urei. Granted you can get external effects (when I had my rane I used a Kaoss Pad) but having everything all together is great. Plus the layout of the mixer is nice and clean. You get familiar with it real fast and that's when good things start to happen

The rane does sound a bit warmer, but in my opinion the overall clarity of the 800 is hard to beat.

yea the 800 is very clean. i love playing on it and i've started to think i might sell the rane and get the pio rotary.
i just wasn't sure about the quality of the pots.

Do NOT sell the Rane and get the Pioneer... are you nuts?

Ask any pro sound engineer which mixer they prefer, and you already made the right decision.

You could consider the Xone maybe, but not the Pio.

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Originally posted by hooj1 yea the 800 is very clean. i love playing on it and i've started to think i might sell the rane and get the pio rotary. i just wasn't sure about the quality of the pots.

yea i know.
i already had a A&H xone. i just like messin around with the pio fx.

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Originally posted by Freak Less is more in this case - its simplicity is what made it amazing Lost art to being able to mix- and i mean REALLY mix and blend. Give 90% of djs a urei today and they wouldnt have a fucking clue how to use it as 'its got no x fader or eqs or fx, or split cue blah blah' Bollocks

That's true.

However that 90% is the DJ Market. It doesn't matter what the remaining 10% uses because, they are not buying the latest equipment.

My first encounter with the Original UREI 2016 was back in 1995, and learned how blend on mixers that offered a single bass and trebile control at the master output. You have guys that go through mixers every year, and I have mixers that are 20+ years old in perfect condition.

I fall under the 10% and, know if companies waited on guys like myself to upgrade they would've closed shop years ago.

Many (Not All) DJs today are looking for the easy way out, and the companies are full-filling their requests. It's the sign of the times and, you and I cannot stop that. At 27, I cannot expect a 15 year old DJ not wanting all the bells and whistles on a mixer. I felt the same way as they did when I was their age.

We also need to consider that many DJs don't, only spin House/Trance Music and need a Crossfader. This has been addressed many of times on this forum. In NYC, there are no radio stations playing Dance Music. They play only Hip Hop which the majority of he market wants. The minority that are not Hip Hop heads, and rather hear Dance Music, are not looked upon as far as Radio is concerned.

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Originally posted by Freak Less is more in this case - its simplicity is what made it amazing Lost art to being able to mix- and i mean REALLY mix and blend. Give 90% of djs a urei today and they wouldnt have a fucking clue how to use it as 'its got no x fader or eqs or fx, or split cue blah blah' Bollocks

i do agree. half the time on my rane i never use the eq. i guess its an old school thang.
the mixer i learned on never had eq's and i used that for three years.

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Originally posted by OMNIFEX That's true. However that 90% is the DJ Market. It doesn't matter what the remaining 10% uses because, they are not buying the latest equipment. My first encounter with the Original UREI 2016 was back in 1995, and learned how blend on mixers that offered a single bass and trebile control at the master output. You have guys that go through mixers every year, and I have mixers that are 20+ years old in perfect condition. I fall under the 10% and, know if companies waited on guys like myself to upgrade they would've closed shop years ago. Many (Not All) DJs today are looking for the easy way out, and the companies are full-filling their requests. It's the sign of the times and, you and I cannot stop that. At 27, I cannot expect a 15 year old DJ not wanting all the bells and whistles on a mixer. I felt the same way as they did when I was their age. We also need to consider that many DJs don't, only spin House/Trance Music and need a Crossfader. This has been addressed many of times on this forum. In NYC, there are no radio stations playing Dance Music. They play only Hip Hop which the majority of he market wants. The minority that are not Hip Hop heads, and rather hear Dance Music, are not looked upon as far as Radio is concerned.

Very true
I was just playing devils advocate

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Do NOT sell the Rane and get the Pioneer... are you nuts? Ask any pro sound engineer which mixer they prefer, and you already made the right decision. You could consider the Xone maybe, but not the Pio.

I agree 100% that the sound quality of the Rane is top notch, and is standard equipment in many high end clubs. However ... to say the Pio is not worth considering is not, I believe, a fair statement. The 800 is 24bit/96kHz, has very good sounding internal effects, and rotary knobs as an option.

Pioneer mixers of the past have not been rated highly and if anyone has mixed on them it's very clear why. But with the 800, Pioneer really went back to the drawing board and put out an excellent, studio & club worthy mixer.

We can go back and forth forever and I've owned Rane's so I'm a huge fan, but I don't believe the Pio is not worth considering when you take into account the tech specs, features, and price point compared to the Rane, A&H, and Urei.

I didn't say the 800 isn't worth considering, I agree it's MUCH nicer than the 500/600. But he has a Rane, and I'm sorry but moving to a Pioneer 800 from that mixer just doesn't make any sense to me.

The Rane will still be relevant and working great in 10 years. The Pioneer will long be obsolete.

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Originally posted by demark I agree 100% that the sound quality of the Rane is top notch, and is standard equipment in many high end clubs. However ... to say the Pio is not worth considering is not, I believe, a fair statement. The 800 is 24bit/96kHz, has very good sounding internal effects, and rotary knobs as an option. Pioneer mixers of the past have not been rated highly and if anyone has mixed on them it's very clear why. But with the 800, Pioneer really went back to the drawing board and put out an excellent, studio & club worthy mixer. We can go back and forth forever and I've owned Rane's so I'm a huge fan, but I don't believe the Pio is not worth considering when you take into account the tech specs, features, and price point compared to the Rane, A&H, and Urei.

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