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David Hicks
whats your thoughts on the issue?
I seen a massive sign on the freeway driving to the beach house the other day which read "free david hicks"
Is he innocent/guilty? Has he already served enough time?
Is america just stalling the issue?
Thoughts?
No one really knows if he's innocent or guilty, the problem is the US is holding him under a sort of quasi-POW pretence in times of war, when all they're doing are police actions.
Lock him up after a trial which finds him guilty, let him go otherwise if he's innocent, but its just a bit ironic fighting 'wars' for freedom and democracy of foreigners while keeping same-said foreigners outside the democratic justice system.
The thing that irritates me the most is by the run up to the federal elections he'll be either running around free as a bird or back here in a cell and the liberal government will milk it for all it's political worth.
I'd almost bet money on it.
yeah its been too long to charge/try him
Hurry up and do it, find him guilty and shoot him. End of problem.
Fighting for peace is a bit like Fucking for Virginity, i mean it makes no sense. Anyway IMHO Hicks is as guilty as sin (If you look at some of the things he has said in letters home to his family, it'll make you hair curl!) Hey, look at it this way. The Yanks want to do this, he was there, and did at very least some of what he has been accused of (Providing Material support to a terrorist organisation is the charge), so let the Yanks deal with him. I Feel sorry for his Dad tho
to be honest, the poor bastard has also been tarnished by the media. He can sit in those prisons indefinately or until John Howard gets off his arse, grows some balls and demands him back to serve his time in OZ. If he's guilty of course....that's just it, no conviction, sitting in limbo, fucked...
WHO GIVES A F@#$?
Bigger and better things in the world to worry about.
Bring him back here to serve his time? Well what i want to know is why *MY* Tax dollar should pay to keep the SOB In Gaol when it was the Seppo's that wanted to arrest him, and the predominant attitude here is F**K Him. The Yanks want him, they can damm well keep him
your tax paying dollars are also funding corrupt cops and their existence in the police force? clearly double standards everywhere.
fuck me, it's quite simple really, convict him (if he's evidently guilty), give everyone closure on this issue and move on. what are they waiting for?
david hicks was fighting with the army of a recognised government, in a recognised country. sure, the taliban were a disgrace and its good that theyre gone, but he deserved to be treated within the geneva guidelines like any other enemy combattant.
now, if he didnt deserve such treatment, and is labelled as a criminal (though a criminal in what regard i cant fathom) then he deserves a timely trial, another underpinning of our westminster system of law that the US has forgotten).
either way, there are absolutely no grounds for holding someone for such a length of time without charge or trial. the howard govt has again dropped the ball on a very serious issues 
you cant lock someone up indefinitely because you dont like their politics. thus far, the US govt has brought zero evidence to light that hicks has done anything at all.
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| Originally posted by AnitA WHO GIVES A F@#$? Bigger and better things in the world to worry about. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN there are few things more important than the adminstration of justice, and the current political climate where some governments are running around the world doing what they will despite their long history of supposed democracy and freedom. so yeah, those of us that care about such things DO give a fuck. |
added a poll-
taken from one article
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| The British refused to allow their nine prisoners to be charged by the Americans and asked for them back. Upon return to London, finding they had not committed, nor would be convicted of, any known crime under British law, they were set free. Australia, on the other hand, agreed to the Americans charging David Hicks on the basis that he would be tried quickly and fairly. After five years, "quickly and fairly" have yet to be delivered. |
Demand that he be brought back to Aus, and charge him under Australian law if necessary.
He's broken no Australian laws, and the new ones cannot be applied retrospectively �_i believe if he was brought home he would pretty much have to be released immediately, although i am sure they'd have a crack at slapping one of those control orders on him.
It doesn't happpen very often, but pkc is on the money imo 
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| Originally posted by Dean Millson It doesn't happpen very often, but pkc is on the money imo |
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| Originally posted by Dean Millson He's broken no Australian laws, and the new ones cannot be applied retrospectively �_i believe if he was brought home he would pretty much have to be released immediately, although i am sure they'd have a crack at slapping one of those control orders on him. |
Corrupt Cops? Fuck get rid of them Too!!!! Point i was trying to make is this. If you are overseas, and you engage in criminal activities (He was not a member of the Afghan army. He was Al Qaeda)and you commit a crime and get caught, then you have no right to expect your Govt will bring you home and let you off the hook. He got caught, he's gotta deal with it.
i dont think that people should be held like that without knowing what is going to happen to them. like pkc said, he was fighting for the government of a country that got invaded. the way the US has worded some of their anti-terrorism laws is a bit fucked and it's pretty stupid the way they get away with stuff like this. especially when a lot of these problems are their fault after being scared of communism for 40 years or whatever. i think it's even worse that our government has done basically nothing to help one of it's citizens in this situation. if they have done something wrong and are a criminal and there is evidence then they should be charged and trialled and put in jail. i don't see why it should take so long.
isn't that base in some kind of "limbo" as to where it is? it is an american base but isn't considered american ground like an embassy so if you don't get any rights or something, and even though cuba owns the land and leases it to the US it isn't counted as cuban so they can't do anything??
where does the line get drawn to separate a prisoner of war from an "enemy combatant"?
Good Point Philby. I Still think he is guilty, and i still think a lot of people are jumping on the "Bring him back" bandwagon for all the wrong reasons, but you present a very valid and logical argument.
For the Record i voted "Give him a fair Trial" in the Poll, even though i think it is unlikely he will get one (And that is Bullshit IMHO)
I think you'll find the majority of people who want him brought back don't take that position because they believe he's innocent but rather because of a belief in the main pillar of justice in democratic society - the right to a fair & transparent trial.
I think he is guilty and he can rot in prison, but he still deserves a fair trial which will lead to the verdict for him to rot in prison.
Yea, that about sums it up. Stop treating him like an animal and trial him here, then lock him up forever and lets move on.
Holding a man in unsanitary conditions without charge or trial? Sounds like something Saddam Hussien would have done.
George Bush is a terrorist
*leaves thread*
Where are these letters he wrote to his family?
The reason David has not yet been brought to trial is because the US Govt has not been able to prove anything apart from the fact he was in the country. He was charged years ago and the charges were thrown out, so they made up some others. it is my understanding that these too were recently dropped and replaced with something else, again because of a lack of evidence. I think he should be supported by our government in the same way the Brits were. Howard's government is a joke. he goes on about human rights in China, and fails to defend an Aussie citizen in what equates to a concentration camp.
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| Originally posted by Taranis Demand that he be brought back to Aus, and charge him under Australian law if necessary. |
You know i really should stop following this thread. On the other hand it is doing wonders for my anger management issues.
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| Originally posted by MiSSyM Bring back capital punishment! |
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