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Hey guy's... have a question... I watch alot of movies and talk to some people from overseas, but not one can tell me the difference about school here and over places like USA, or even Europe.

Has anyone grown up in either regions, whats the schools like, we see heaps of USA movies about cheerleaders, college football, keg parties, nerds, street racers and whatever, even the stoners get a mention.

What's school like, and school life in these parts of the world? How do they differ with us. Is our education system comparable? What sort of excursions, class work, or hell even topics are done.

I would love to go to college, that line is portrayed in heaps and heaps of movies, but we don't have College in OZ, we have School, TAFE, Private Collages, University and whatever else is out there that I might not know about.

I guess im thinking, hey that would be cool... but maybe its just an image we see so much from the movies. Would be nice to hook up my flux capacitor I bought from eBay to my little corolla and check out how things were done in the past if I had the chance to go back and see what my life's experiences would have been like.

Mario

In the USA, college = university. The difference there is that they have to pay up front to go, unless they have a scholarship.

Apart from that there's not much difference really. Australian universities also have nerds, stoners, sports teams and keg parties (although we call them barrels). The crucial difference is that we don't have cheerleaders to the anywhere near the same extent, but oh darn how sad. What the world really doesn't need is more pom poms.

Watch Freshmen on Campus on the ABC if you want to find out what "college life" is really like in the USA, rather than a bunch of Hollywood fluff.

College is like an intermediate in the states I thought.
They still have Universities there, but thats where you go on to after college. So a college is probably between a Tafe course and a Bachelors Degree.

The college system is also heavily driven by sport (football and basketball). So even if ure a dumb shit, you can still go there to play for the college on a scholarship.

England I think is much the same as us - but you often associate yourself with a college (residential school) and attend a University.

Kegs are still called kegs in Australia - Barrel is fucked up hobart pirate talk.

nah, college = uni. the differences are that the states have things like "law school" that you do after completing a bachelor's degree.

hmmmm. i call them kegs.

College is University, they just call it differently and yes, most of the stuff you see in movies is Hollywood fluff to an extent.

Because they can't drink before they are 21, they have to have massive parties whereas we can just go out like normal adults. Stupid rule not being able to drink before 21

Esentially though, it's all the same. Unless of course you play for one of their sports teams, then you are treated like a God.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN nah, college = uni. the differences are that the states have things like "law school" that you do after completing a bachelor's degree. hmmmm. i call them kegs.

Which is the same as here too.

A US "Law School" is the equivalent of a OZ "Law Post-Grad Department"

college in the US is super competitive, you live on campus, (you are more independent in that aspect)....I do prefer that kind of schooling, living on campus that is, gives you time to grow hairs on your chest (and create close bonds with your fellow peers) before facing the real world.

Like beverly hills 90210! lol

college isnt directly university tho in u.s.a. the word also encompasses schools which have higher education courses (TAFEish), but no graduate program.

and I think University colleges in england are not universities - but associated with them or something. Like another TAFE deal, but run by a uni.


meh, google it or some shit.



Also, college in Tasmania = years 11 & 12. (Oh what fun that was, go EC.)

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Originally posted by gumble Also, college in Tasmania = years 11 & 12. (Oh what fun that was, go EC.)

*** Elizabeth College?

yer, class of 2000.

Re: Education

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Originally posted by bassaholix Education Hey guy's... have a question... I watch alot of movies and talk to some people from overseas, but not one can tell me the difference about school here and over places like USA, or even Europe. Has anyone grown up in either regions, whats the schools like, we see heaps of USA movies about cheerleaders, college football, keg parties, nerds, street racers and whatever, even the stoners get a mention. What's school like, and school life in these parts of the world? How do they differ with us. Is our education system comparable? What sort of excursions, class work, or hell even topics are done. I would love to go to college, that line is portrayed in heaps and heaps of movies, but we don't have College in OZ, we have School, TAFE, Private Collages, University and whatever else is out there that I might not know about. I guess im thinking, hey that would be cool... but maybe its just an image we see so much from the movies. Would be nice to hook up my flux capacitor I bought from eBay to my little corolla and check out how things were done in the past if I had the chance to go back and see what my life's experiences would have been like. Mario

we dont have cheerleaders because its just not apart of our sporting culture like it with americans with their basketball and football (gridiron).

ive lived in the us and aus so i know wat its like, just like every school u have your stereotypical groups (jocs, nerds, etc.) but its not to the same extreme you would see in saved by the bell or watever. alot of the teaching is also alot more oreintated about america and american history alone rather than alot of other countries and places in the world unlike australia.

college is pretty much exactly the same as uni, except in college u live on campus and u pay upfront. its like this because unliek australia where everything is pretty much in the main cities america is huge, the college u want to go to may not be in chicago or alabama or watever place u live in. it usually would be in a different state altogether depending on where u want to go because obviously america has more than about 6 main cities and 7 states.

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Originally posted by gumble yer, class of 2000.

well, youre not a total bogan then. otherwise you woulda gone to rosny

haha, i only did the one year there.

i was originally from launny.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, youre not a total bogan then. otherwise you woulda gone to rosny

*** don't Risdon have a 'school' in the area there?

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Originally posted by gumble I was originally from launny.

*** ditto. small world this 'net thing!

Ditto ditto. Launceston College. Not saying when I finished there though.

Barrels vs Kegs, weird, all the O Week advertising here at Uni used the word barrels. The TUU must be strange(r) this year.

people live on campus here as well

launceston unite!

are you too old / young to say when u finished kittn?

I wanna go to calllage
softmore
sene your
are you going to the prom?
I've got jim class
berkley

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Originally posted by gumble launceston unite! are you too old / young to say when u finished kittn?

I guess you could say I was too old. But us girls always get a bit cagey about how old we are once we hit our mid twenties.

thats why we let DJ josh come to visit, makes us all feel young and vibrant also reminds us how much better our taste in music is

Josh actually looks surprisingly good for a woman of her vintage - about 5 years younger than she is. Such a pity that her record box when she plays at Lala is stuck in the same time warp.

College = Uni.

Some colleges are called university of so and so, but sometimes they call them colleges. They all award degrees, but what counts is where the degree comes from. Also in the US, we will say school and that refers to uni.

What you see on TV are the Unis where you go away to. Usually after high school many graduates go to schools that are a few hours away from school, usually some town in the middle of nowhere. For example, I grew up on Long Island (one hour outside of New York City) and about 50% of the class that I graduated in went away to uni. They usually went upstate to a state school, b/c of the cost and upstate NY is really nothing. I did not go away to school, but I lived with my parents and went to a local school. I did go and visit people upstate and basically the town is a college (uni) town full of parties and underage drinking. a 17-18 year old away from their parents usually goes crazy and drinks a lot. Often many students fail and do poorly their first year b/c of this. Sports are a large part of life as well. Some schools are not like this. Certain schoold have a reputation as a "party school". Dorm rooms are usually shared and many school make you live in a dorm for at least 2 years, before you can do a houseshare. These houses often are really old and rented by students only.

Post grad is very different here. I did my MA at UNSW and the program is easier. In the US there is no option of course work vs. research. An MA program consists of taking at least 30 credits and a thesis. It is also more difficult to get a PhD in the US; it can take up to three years and you also have to take classes and then write your dissertation.

High schools in the US are about the same, but there are no HSCs, so no pressure there. We do have the SATs and those can be stressful for some students, but it is only one test and something you cant really study for. Many unis do not care so much about SAT scores these days. We also do not wear uniforms. Many Americans go to public schools rather than private schools. In NY private schools are often referred to as catholic schools. If you go to a private school you have to wear a uniform. Also from what I understand, catholic school teachers are paid shit compared to some public schools, especially those in an affluent neighbourhood. We also have huge high school graduations, wearing a cap and gown and stuff. I think the education is a bit better in Australian high schools, IMO. But I cant really compare b/c I didnt go to one and I hardly ever went to my American high school and when I did go I was high most of the time.

To go to law school, you must first do a BA and then get accepted into a law school. There is also a test that you have to take (LSAT, I think?) and law schools do look at that test score. After law school you then take a bar exam for that state. We dont really have barristers in the US. Regular lawyers can talk in court, they dont need a wig. We dont wear wigs in our court system either.

Hope that helps. Any other questions feel free to ask.

I forgot to add about topics being done. In high school, same topics are done. In Uni you do some topics that you did in high school. Most Unis have you do 'core courses'. For example, I have 2 BAs. For my first, I had to do subjects that had nothing to do with my program (restaurant management) like algebra and stuff. For my second BA (German lit and language) I had to take a philosophy logic class, and a few other arts classes. Almost all Unis make you take a certain number of credits in arts to get your degree.

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Originally posted by klingklang77 Also in the US, we will say school and that refers to uni.

silly kids :P

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Shanghai Jiao Tong University has published on the Internet an Academic Ranking of World Universities that has attracted worldwide attention. Institutions are ranked according to academic or research performance and ranking indicators include major international awards, highly cited researchers in important fields, articles published in selected top journals and/or indexed by major citation indexes, and performance per capita.

Top 50 for 2006:




You can see where Aus unis came in last year here.

There's also another ranking system compiled by Times Higher Education Supplement. Here's their top 200 for 2006:



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