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Posted by deejay_naku on Apr-04-2002 22:07:

Slipmats

I was wondering, when you stop the record (to cue it up for example), should

a) the record stay still, while slipmat and platter are still moving

or

b) the record AND the slipmat stay still, while only the platter moves?

Posted by mute79 on Apr-04-2002 22:12:

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on Apr-04-2002 22:39:

NO, both the platter and the slipmat should move, while the record is still!

Posted by mute79 on Apr-04-2002 22:44:

ummm, nooo, what slipmats you got dude?! are you sure you even have slipmats? you prolly have those rubber mats, thats why only your record moves and the mat sticks to the platter...

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on Apr-04-2002 23:08:

yo, are u even a DJ???
The slipmats are supposed to move along with the platter!
I know what a slipmat is and what a rubbermat is, i'm not fucking stupid. If you slipmats aren't moving when u stop the record, then ur decks are piece of shit...

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on Apr-04-2002 23:12:

Do u even know what you are talking about?
You said "B"
B is: the record AND the slipmat stay still, while only the platter moves?
And now ur telling me this shit: "you prolly have those rubber mats, thats why only your record moves and the mat sticks to the platter..."

Thinks before you type
P.S. A is the correct answer

Posted by DJTJ on Apr-05-2002 00:34:

Hmmm. This kind of varies... it very much depends on the turntable and the record.

If you have a turntable with a lot of torque, and a record that is kind of warped into a concave way (facing upwards that is), then the slipmat will pretty much always move with the platter regardless of what the record is doing.

If you have a record that is not warped like that, or is warped like that but you're playing the other side, then it's more likely that the slipmat will move with the record, i.e. if you are cueing up and pushing the record back and forth, then the slipmat will move back and forth too.

It all depends on the relative amounts of friction between the record and the slipmat, and the platter and the slipmat. Generally, it is more likely that there is going to be more friction between the record and the slipmat (the plastic of the record against the paint on the slipmat) than on the slipmat against the platter (felt against bare metal), meaning that it is more likely for the slipmat to move with the record rather than with the platter.

Often though, you will get a bit of both... the record moves underneath the record when you're holding it still, but slower than the platter is moving. I suppose that's the best way to sort out this argument!

Posted by mute79 on Apr-05-2002 01:05:

tranceformer, take it easy bro, yr talkin like i just banged yr sister or something... shiet... i got tech 12's... i know on every decks i've worked on with thin slipmats whenever i'm cueing the slipmat sticks with the record while the platter spins underneath...

Posted by deejay_naku on Apr-05-2002 01:16:

Thanks mates!

Now I can finally R.I.P. =)

Posted by j_spot on Apr-05-2002 02:56:

I say A..I went and checked. My tech 12s with the slipmats that I got with em

the record stays still..platter and slipmat stay moving...UNLESS I press hard, and then the platter keeps going and the slipmat stops, BUT this is not the way that it should be

Posted by Dmatrox on Apr-05-2002 04:51:

B

i guess it really depends on your slipmat and records

I have stanton slippies

Posted by Great Outdoors on Apr-05-2002 08:46:

Sheesh, cool it you people!

My slipmats normally end up spinning together with the platter. Maybe it's because I don't put too much pressure when stopping or cueing my records.

Posted by mute79 on Apr-05-2002 14:14:

ok, so i guess its c) then, hehe
for those of you that are using rubber mats, go out and buy some thin slipmats and you'll see the difference...

Posted by DJTJ on Apr-05-2002 15:32:

For those of you using rubber mats, what the hell are you doing in the DJ Booth?

Posted by mute79 on Apr-05-2002 15:47:

lol

Posted by Great Outdoors on Apr-05-2002 16:27:

Rubber mats? Do they still HAVE these things?

Posted by Tony Morello on Apr-05-2002 17:14:

i would have to say B

my friend has some great slipmats that are kinda textured on top and really slippery on the bottom, and i love using them... the slipmat stays with the record and the only sliding is between the slipmat and the platter, which is what a slipmat is supposed to do....
that's why when you buy tech 12's new, you get that little piece of wax paper to put between your slipmat and your platter

Posted by quddha on Apr-05-2002 19:23:

curious myself, i checked, and it is B...
tech 1200mk2's and plain black slipmats with flutlicht-icarus spinning on top.. the record has more friction than the metal platter, so it sticks with the record.

Posted by mute79 on Apr-05-2002 19:36:

ha, take that tranceformer

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on Apr-05-2002 20:26:

Well then i guess it depends on how u actually CUE, because I hold my records on the edge, I don't put my whole palm on the vinyl. Ofcourse if you are CUEing that way. only the platter will move, but on my decks both, the slipmat and the platter move.

P.S. Sry trancegeek, just had a bad day...

Posted by mute79 on Apr-05-2002 21:33:

wow, i tried your way, i just don't see how you can cue like that... seriously... weird... but to each their own i guess

Posted by DJ TranceFormer on Apr-05-2002 22:44:

I just don't want to mess up my records with my fingers, i mean even after you clean them, there's still a lot of shit left in the grooves...

Posted by Jah on Apr-06-2002 03:33:

hi im really new but i wanna learn i was just wondering when you cue a record do you do it manually with your hand and just keep the record there until your ready or do you hit stop and have the whole tt shutdown at the point your ready at...? also if you do just hold the record there with your hand (as ive done in many a record shop) does it wear out the vinyl? does spinning it forward and backward profoundly to get to a point wear out the record too? (it seems like it does) how come you wouldnt just lift the stylus up and go forward a little on the record wouldnt that be a safer way for the records?

Posted by Michael Russo on Apr-06-2002 03:56:

TranceFormer, put your fingers on the label... works very well. There's nothing I can't stand more than fingerprints
I used to grip the record on the side like you, but i found using the label makes cueing easier (imo)

Jah, you don't turn off the turntable... because then you have to worry about it starting up again which takes longer than just releasing the record with your hand.

You can't just lift up the stylus and go forward a bit for a couple of reasons. First of all, when you're spinning, you don't want to waste any time. Secondly, and most importantly, it's impossible to know how much forward you have to go to find the beginning of the beat you want to cue from. Every record is different. The aim of cueing is to accurately cue a part in the song. The only way to do that accurately is to rock your hands back and forth and go by what you hear, not what you see by "guessing" how far forward to place the needle.

Posted by erullafs on Apr-06-2002 04:52:

I just checked and my records stay stationary with the slipmats. The platter slips on the slipmats.

Just wondering? If the slipmats spin with the platter while you hold the record stationary, that means the slipmats are slipping against the records. Won't that in time wear the records?

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